Following 2016 potential draftees

[Dr. Jones]

Any chance of a last minute grad transfer or perhaps intl player? He still has at least one scholarship to give right since Bolden went to Duke?

There's always a chance but I don't find it likely. Cal loves to showcase his freshman and this gives him the best shot at it.
Yes, we have two schollies available.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He started on a stacked team playing out of position. I would bet his usage rate as pretty low too. Same thing with Lyles. Started, played out of position, low usage.

Skal is different. Kentucky literally needed him (their bigs weren't very good) and he was so bad he got benched. Does he have skills? Yeah. But when push came to shove, dude couldn't perform. I'm not gonna be high on a guy like that. With that said, Cal is known for just wanting his post players to play down low, which isn't Skal'd game. Cal is a great defensive coach though, and Skal struggled there. That's concerning.

I'm not sure why Skal is a consensus lotto pick and Thon is projected out of the first round by the "experts". I'm out on guys like Skal... questionable motor/desire/work ethic are red flags that I would have a hard time overcoming.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I'm not sure why Skal is a consensus lotto pick and Thon is projected out of the first round by the "experts". I'm out on guys like Skal... questionable motor/desire/work ethic are red flags that I would have a hard time overcoming.

Plus, as much as Maker is unproven, the only thing Skal has shown beyond what Maker has, was bad.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Plus, as much as Maker is unproven, the only thing Skal has shown beyond what Maker has, was bad.

Exactly... in this case I prefer the unknown... cause the known was much worse than expected.

 

[stitches]

Lyles wasnt a world beater at Kentucky, but he was OK. He got limited minutes (still more than Labissiere though) because of a big man log jam and had to play out of position on a stacked team.

Skal just sucked.

Was he OK though? Their stats are not that far off adjusted for playing time...

Spoiler

Skal has higher usage, at the same efficiency(suggests he can be better offensive player), and he's got 10% BLK% which suggests he can be better defender or at least shot blocker (I think he's better defender from day 1). His huge PF numbers are worrying, but I think with getting his body in better place would fix some of those issues.

 

[NCJazz]

There's always a chance but I don't find it likely. Cal loves to showcase his freshman and this gives him the best shot at it.
Yes, we have two schollies available.

Right with Lee transferring. Greek Freak's other brother still looks undecided. Better jump on him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Right with Lee transferring. Greek Freak's other brother still looks undecided. Better jump on him.

I'm okay with going into the season with;
Bam
Gabriel
Willis
Humphries
Wynyard

All 6'9 or bigger. I little thin, but not too bad.
Top 5 team, I'd say. Guard play should be great by March.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Was he OK though? Their stats are not that far off adjusted for playing time...

Spoiler

Skal has higher usage, at the same efficiency(suggests he can be better offensive player), and he's got 10% BLK% which suggests he can be better defender or at least shot blocker (I think he's better defender from day 1). His huge PF numbers are worrying, but I think with getting his body in better place would fix some of those issues.

He played with much more talent, less stats to go around.

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[Coach Ellis]

This top 7 seems to be the most accurate to how I'm seeing it. I think your top 7 is the best yet.

I think 7 or 8 of them end up in the lottery. In reality, I think Davis is drafted before Zizic. I would be fine with Zizic early, but I don't think the lottery is his window.

Chriss and Labissiere (and maybe Maker) will get drafted early purely on potential and physical ability. If they develop, they'll outperform their draft position. Sabonis to me could go just about anywhere - I'm finding it hard to peg him. Diamond Stone and Zhou Xi are both off the radar right now, but they should be first round picks too. Petr Corneille will likely squeak into the end of the first round as a draft and stash prospect. A lot of good bigs that the Jazz could use to develop.

My idea of a really good, realistic draft would be to stay at #12 and take SG: Furkan Korkmaz and then trade up from the 2nd round picks to draft a backup big man. I have the same vibe about him as I did about Porzingis in 2014. He might be s lottery pick this year, but if he pulls out, goes back to Europe and plays well. . . I think he'll move into the top 10 - possibly top 5. His length and reported work ethic are good for development and his shooting stroke is beautiful.

After 12, the Jazz pull another move like they did to get Gobert and send Burke, 2nd round picks and cash to move up for Ante Zizic in the early-to-mid 20's. He has no business being around that late. I think he's going to be the Nikola Jokic of this draft. Overlooked and underrated until he gets to the states and just plays great.

Give me Korkmaz and Zizic, bring them stateside, put them in P3, have them play summer league, have them workout and practice with the team as much as possible, but make them the bottom 2 spots on the roster and have them be the star players for the Stars this year. Everyone else on the d-league team is brought in to support the development of those two.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Was he OK though? Their stats are not that far off adjusted for playing time...

Spoiler

Skal has higher usage, at the same efficiency(suggests he can be better offensive player), and he's got 10% BLK% which suggests he can be better defender or at least shot blocker (I think he's better defender from day 1). His huge PF numbers are worrying, but I think with getting his body in better place would fix some of those issues.

Context matters. Lyles played on a stacked team that, 1) didn't need him to produce a ton, and 2) didn't allow him to play at his natural position, or play to his strengths. On the other hand, Kentucky desperately needed Skal to produce, and put him in his natural position where he could, and should succeed. So basically, situation wise, Lyles had everything going against him and Skal just the opposite.

With Skal it isn't as much a question about talent (although those questions do exist and are valid), but more a question of toughness, especially mentally, attitude, work ethic, and desire. Those are very hard character issues to overcome. I wouldn't risk it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think 7 or 8 of them end up in the lottery. In reality, I think Davis is drafted before Zizic. I would be fine with Zizic early, but I don't think the lottery is his window.

Chriss and Labissiere (and maybe Maker) will get drafted early purely on potential and physical ability. If they develop, they'll outperform their draft position. Sabonis to me could go just about anywhere - I'm finding it hard to peg him. Diamond Stone and Zhou Xi are both off the radar right now, but they should be first round picks too. Petr Corneille will likely squeak into the end of the first round as a draft and stash prospect. A lot of good bigs that the Jazz could use to develop.

My idea of a really good, realistic draft would be to stay at #12 and take SG: Furkan Korkmaz. I have the same vibe about him as I did about Porzingis in 2014. He might be s lottery pick this year, but if he pulls out, goes back to Europe and plays well. . . I think he'll move into the top 10 - possibly top 5. His length and reported work ethic are good for development and his shooting stroke is beautiful. After 12, the Jazz pull another move like they did to get Gobert and send Burke, 2nd round picks and cash to move up for Ante Zizic in the early-to-mid 20's. He has no business being around that late. I think he's going to be the Nikola Jokic of this draft. Overlooked and underrated until he gets to the states and just plays great.

Give me Korkmaz and Zizic, bring them stateside, put them in P3, have them play summer league, have them workout and practice with the team as much as possible, but make them the bottom 2 spots on the roster and have them be the star players for the Stars this year. Everyone else on the d-league team is brought in to support the development of those two.

I think Sabonis skill-wise is on par with Poeltl and is a better passer and shooter out on the floor. I think both Poeltl and Sabonis go in the 10 - 15 range when it's said and done. I'd have a hard time passing on Sabonis for a guard or wing in the middle of this draft.

 

[stitches]

He played with much more talent, less stats to go around.

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Context matters. Lyles played on a stacked team that, 1) didn't need him to produce a ton, and 2) didn't allow him to play at his natural position, or play to his strengths. On the other hand, Kentucky desperately needed Skal to produce, and put him in his natural position where he could, and should succeed. So basically, situation wise, Lyles had everything going against him and Skal just the opposite.

With Skal it isn't as much a question about talent (although those questions do exist and are valid), but more a question of toughness, especially mentally, attitude, work ethic, and desire. Those are very hard character issues to overcome. I wouldn't risk it.

That's all fair, but I still love his potential more than pretty much anybody else's in this draft. I don't disagree that he's a risky pick. I just think the risk is worth it(ESPECIALLY at 12) and I think if you manage to get his body in order and develop his game, you've got a top 3 player out of this draft. Of course it all will depend on his willingness to work and drive to succeed. Hope he doesn't waste all his talent.