Following 2016 potential draftees

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm okay with going into the season with;
Bam
Gabriel
Willis
Humphries
Wynyard

All 6'9 or bigger. I little thin, but not too bad.
Top 5 team, I'd say. Guard play should be great by March.

Another group of bust with 1 good player.

 

[NCJazz]

Another group of bust with 1 good player.

I seriously wonder why Humphries chose KY. Would have been better off somewhere else.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I think Sabonis skill-wise is on par with Poeltl and is a better passer and shooter out on the floor. I think both Poeltl and Sabonis go in the 10 - 15 range when it's said and done. I'd have a hard time passing on Sabonis for a guard or wing in the middle of this draft.

I wouldn't. He can't play defense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Hey Bern... You love Baldwin right? I'm intrigued but lazy and don't want to look....

Have there been guys at PG with his physical profile that have been busts?

I cant think of many guys as big as him who were athletic that failed and the only comps I can come up with are Hill... too scared to say Westbrook because I don't think he has that kind of athleticism or fire.

I think he may have the lowest floor of the guys that have big upside (in our range anyway).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Hey Bern... You love Baldwin right? I'm intrigued but lazy and don't want to look....

Have there been guys at PG with his physical profile that have been busts?

I cant think of many guys as big as him who were athletic that failed and the only comps I can come up with are Hill... too scared to say Westbrook because I don't think he has that kind of athleticism or fire.

I think he may have the lowest floor of the guys that have big upside (in our range anyway).

You don't remember the great Bongo or Smush Parker?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

You don't remember the great Bongo or Smush Parker?

Physically those make sense... Baldwin certainly outweighs those guys and is more athletic and a better shooter. It's just so much easier to remember the successes than the failures.

I think Baldwin might be more of a good ball handling combo than a pure point. I'm thinking he has more similarities to guys like Eric Gordon or Rodney Stuckey.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Hey Bern... You love Baldwin right? I'm intrigued but lazy and don't want to look....

Have there been guys at PG with his physical profile that have been busts?

I cant think of many guys as big as him who were athletic that failed and the only comps I can come up with are Hill... too scared to say Westbrook because I don't think he has that kind of athleticism or fire.

I think he may have the lowest floor of the guys that have big upside (in our range anyway).

Physically Smush Parker is closer than Bongo. Bongo's a pretty awful comparison, his wingspan was half a foot shorter. And neither of them could shoot like Baldwin. Or defend like Baldwin.

But basically no, to answer your question. Corey Joseph (again, a lot smaller wingspan) is fairly close in some skills, and he's probably the worst of that group. Then you have George Hill. Then at the top, Russ.

Baldwin is a better athlete than George, but not as good as Russ. Better shooter than all of them (coming out of college). He needs to work on finishing, ball handle, and body control. Promising thing is his ball handling improved a lot from freshman to sophomore year, so that shows he can do it.

I really just don't see why people aren't higher. His floor is literally George Hill. He's a ++ defender and + shooter. So again, worst case, a bigger version of George Hill or Avery Bradley. Ceiling? Less athletic Russ. That probably isn't going to happen, but maybe a better shooting Baron Davis? Maybe Jeff Hornacek? Maybe Chauncey Billups? All pretty good scenarios. He's a safe pick with high upside. I don't see how he's not a top 10 pick, tbh.

Here's a really good write up on him that has a ton of info on who he compares to statistically, stylistically, and physically coming out of college. Little long, but excellent.

https://www.deepishthoughts.com/kaisers-draft-notes-wade-baldwin/

 

[RandyForRubio]

Physically those make sense... Baldwin certainly outweighs those guys and is more athletic and a better shooter. It's just so much easier to remember the successes than the failures.

I think Baldwin might be more of a good ball handling combo than a pure point. I'm thinking he has more similarities to guys like Eric Gordon or Rodney Stuckey.

Yeah, I definitely like him off ball to start off with until he improves his handle. Size wise, decent comparisons. Much, much better defender than both. Much, much better shooter than Stuckey. He's kinda like Brad Beal in a way, although I think a better defender.

Just think of him and Exum in our backcourt. 6'10 and 6'11 wingspans in your backcourt! We've been begging for perimeter defense and shooting, here it is, with tremendous upside, and he's projected to go middle of the draft! I don't see how he's not a huge appeal.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

His floor isnt George Hill. Do you know what floor is? By saying his floor is George Hill, that means he should be playing at a George Hill level his rookie year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Baldwin is the kind of athlete who looks good in the open court, but lacks the agile and quick movements to really display his athletic ability at all times. Not only that, his handle is ugly for a PG (Neto, for instance, would rip Baldwin if he tried to bring it up against him) and his off the dribble shooting is awkward.

I think he would be good on a team that has a primary ball-handler that isn't him, but if any teams wants him to be a primary ball-handler I think he will struggle.

 

[Park Bites]

I am not sure how happy i would be if the jazz draft another point guard.

Exum does have some question marks but i am optimistic of his future.

Neto i will say was impressive for a rookie. He was getting better as the season went on. His 3 pt shooting was a lot better than i expected. I think he screams solid back up.

Mack was the floor leader the jazz needed but you could tell he hadnt jelled completely with the players. I see the jazz keeping him just because the traded for him. I do t think he is a started but is again a very good back up.

And burke needs no more. I am sorry that he never got it and i wish him luck where ever he goes.

There is no way the jazz are going to carry 4 pgs. Even a combo guard because burks has shown he can play it in a pinch.

Unless DL has a trade already agreed to in principle the jazz are not drafting a point guard.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Basically, I dont trust Baldwin's feel for scoring at all and that combined with his lack of handle worries me about his "ceiling". I think he is going to be good if he gets on the right team and focuses on spot-up shooting and defense. If he tries to be a playmaking PG I think he will never be starter level.