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Like, honestly, we are talking about a guy who finished in the 9th percentile (that is terrible btw) for finishing at the rim as having a floor of George Hill.

His floor is a guy who can't score outside of spot-up jump shots, struggles to bring the ball up the court and never learns NBA defense.

That said, I still like Baldwin for what he is.
 
Let's also not forget he played his entire sophomore year at 19. He's got a lot of growth left, and has already shown a lot of improvement.
 
#bern said:
Never learns NBA defense? He already defends at an elite level with elite measurements. Lol
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He doesnt defend at an elite level.....

Defensively, Baldwin's size, with his elite 6'10” wingspan and developed upper body, gives him a considerable amount of potential to defend either guard position. When engaged, Baldwin is close to realizing that potential, as he has the lateral mobility to stay in front of his man, the length to close out and contest shots, and the strength to fight through screens. The problem is Baldwin is too frequently not engaged, and can be prone to being caught sleeping off the ball, especially ball watching looking for passing lanes to jump. Still, he has enormous potential on this side of the court, the effort is mostly there, and it's easy to envision him becoming a plus defender in the NBA.
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Elite defensive potential does not equal being an elite defender.
 
#bern said:
Let's also not forget he played his entire sophomore year at 19. He's got a lot of growth left, and has already shown a lot of improvement.
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You act like he is some super young sophomore. We was born in March. Most people turn 20 during their Sophomore year in college. It's not like he is Damian Jones who played his entire junior year at 20 and is still 20.
 
I think Baldwin has some similarity to a young DWill coming out of Illinois. Has similar strengths and weaknesses. Keep in mind that DWill played SG mostly his sophomore year next to Dee Brown and had a lot to prove as a pro. Whether Baldwin has that kind of drive and ability to expand his game remains to be seen, but he might. I have no idea what kind of defensive player he'll be. But I'm seeing some of the same toughness and attitude, especially driving to the rim. Had no idea he couldn't finish inside though. Is that really the case?
 
Catchall said:
I think Baldwin has some similarity to a young DWill coming out of Illinois. Has similar strengths and weaknesses. Keep in mind that DWill played SG mostly his sophomore year next to Dee Brown and had a lot to prove as a pro. Whether Baldwin has that kind of drive and ability to expand his game remains to be seen, but he might. I have no idea what kind of defensive player he'll be. But I'm seeing some of the same toughness and attitude, especially driving to the rim. Had no idea he couldn't finish inside though. Is that really the case?
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Yes, he was in the 9th percentile in finishing. He is awful getting into the paint also. He doesnt have a NBA PG level handle at all (he has no dribble moves other than a high crossover). Yes, he scored a 38'' vertical in the combine but he doesnt use his athletic ability well in traffic at all.

38'' vertical with a near 7' wingspan at the PG position and he is one of the worst finishers in college? That should raise some question marks about his feel for scoring in a major way.

Glass Half Full: He has a lot of room for improvement

Glass Half Empty: He has a poor feel for scoring and handling the basketball and will never develop into a playmaking PG. His potential will entirely revolve around his spot-up game and committing to defense.

Either way, saying his floor is George Hill is a terrible over-hyping of whatever he is.
 
The general consensus seems to be that the following 10 players should all be off the board at #12 ----

Simmons
Ingram
Murray
Bender
Dunn
Hield
Ellenson
Poeltl
Brown
Chriss

If any of these drop to 11 or 12, my guess is that Jaylen Brown gets stuck with the tweener label and slips a few spots.

If the Jazz can't move up at all, they're looking at Deytona Davis, Malachi Richardson, Timothe Luwawu, Furkan Korkmaz or rolling the dice on Thon Maker or Skal Labissiere.

Anyone else you guys think is in play at 12--Baldwin, Prince, etc.?
 
Demetrius Jackson vs Wade Baldwin

I think Jackson is the better player, but I think Baldwin would be a better fit on Utah.
 
About Deytona Davis from Michigan State:

-- 6'11", 237 lbs with a 9'0.5" standing reach
-- 19 yrs. old, won't turn 20 until December
-- Shot 60% from the field on 6 attempts per game, mostly in and around the paint
-- Low foul rate, low turn-over rate
-- Posted almost identical block per game (1.8) compared to Karl Towns (1.7) in 13 fewer minutes per game
-- A 60% foul shooter as a freshman

Going back to his high school highlights, he mostly ran down the middle of the floor and dunked the ball without much resistance. But he shows an ability to make mid-range jumpers, the occasional 3-pt shot and whip passes with fairly good court vision.

The key for Davis will be adding strength and athleticism and boosting his motor. If he can do that, he could be a beast with more scoring ability than either Gobert or Favors currently have. His college rebounding numbers look mediocre at 5.5 per game in 19 minutes, though Per 36 this translates to 10. So the question is -- how athletic is he and how hard does he work on defense and on the boards?
 
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