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Well I think we should draft a SF because this draft has some good ones plus the fact that the PG class is not that great. I am watching Rivers to see if Coach K helps the kid to mature. I have to see more passing and less shooting from Rivers. However, ChitownJazz if you are concerned about Rivers attitude what about Wroten's attitude. I have read some concerns about his attitude and he seems to be more of a combo guard. Do not get wrong I like Wroten's game but it seems he shares some of the concerns you have with Rivers.
 
cowhide said:
Well I think we should draft a SF because this draft has some good ones plus the fact that the PG class is not that great. I am watching Rivers to see if Coach K helps the kid to mature. I have to see more passing and less shooting from Rivers. However, ChitownJazz if you are concerned about Rivers attitude what about Wroten's attitude. I have read some concerns about his attitude and he seems to be more of a combo guard. Do not get wrong I like Wroten's game but it seems he shares some of the concerns you have with Rivers.
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Whoa, wait a second? It seems to me that you are pointing out that someone might have a bias towards a certain player. I don't think that has ever happened. I have a feeling that Chitownjazz is going to tell all of us again that he played at a high level all the way through high school and AAU national tournaments and he has heard from people that would know that Wroten is the best teammate type player that UW has ever seen.
 
chitownjazz said:
It's obvious by his demeanor on the court. I've also been told by a variety of people who would know. Having played the sport at a relatively high level all the way through high school, including AAU where we played in national tournaments, I've seen all sorts of guys who are 'the man' from their towns, cities, etc...There's a difference between playing like you know you're the man playing a team sport and how Rivers comports himself (all about himself). Just my $.02 of course.

But all that aside, he's not a pure point so I don't think he's even worth looking at. Between Hayward and Burks I think we're set at the 2 spot. If there's no PG we should get a SF of the future (and there should be a bunch in this draft).
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I tend to look at how right now he's starting to take control of the huddle at Duke. As a freshman. Not everybody is going to like him, but they all respect him because they know that he wants to win. I bet Michael Jordon's demeanor annoyed you too.
 
I'd rather pass on Rivers. You know Doc will be making some back handed comments in the media if his kid does not give enough minutes or how we are not using him right.
 
Hantlers said:
I tend to look at how right now he's starting to take control of the huddle at Duke. As a freshman. Not everybody is going to like him, but they all respect him because they know that he wants to win. I bet Michael Jordon's demeanor annoyed you too.
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Nope. I loved MJ's demeanor. He was a cold blooded assassin and the best to ever play the game. So whatever character flaws he had were trumped by his unprecedented skill. Rivers doesn't fall into that category.

Orangello, I know quite a few west coasters and never heard anything negative about Wroten as a teammate. As a student and qualifier there were some questions if I remember correctly, but I haven't heard nearly half the bad stuff that I heard about Rivers. It wasn't just someone who had a bias against Rivers. You can disregard the qualifications I gave as I probably would if I read something like that on a message board, but I felt I had to add it in because it was worth mentioning given the connections I've made, things I've heard and seen, etc... I agree Wroten isn't a classic PG, but fits the mold a lot better than Rivers. As the game has evolved, point guards have started to come up with high level scoring ability. But a clear distinction can still be made between those who can score but play like a point guard (Deron Williams or Derrick Rose is a perfect example of the new age point guard) and those who can score, have most of the same skills as a point guard, have the same size as a pg but can't play like one (Jimmer Fredette, Austin Rivers).
 
The Jazz, if even have a pick, need to pick up the BSFA. I am in the camp that Rivers will become a hell of a pro. Again, not necessarily because of what I'm seeing in the stat lines, but his attitude. I just don't think he'll be denied. Having said that, I'd only take him if we had two picks.
 
BENTLEY said:
Chitownjazz - are there any specifics you can share that helped form your negative views on Rivers?
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Most non-Dukies feel Rivers is a snobby kid, bad teammate, selfish, entitled, team cancer, and overall punk. I actually think he has a fire that is misunderstood. He has some of those things, I believe, but not worried about it, personally.
 
PKM said:
Most non-Dukies feel Rivers is a snobby kid, bad teammate, selfish, entitled, team cancer, and overall punk. I actually think he has a fire that is misunderstood. He has some of those things, I believe, but not worried about it, personally.
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I'm not too worried either. In high school he had a bad rep, sure. But I haven't heard any negative things about his demeanor/attitude since he started college. The guy's got a drive and real desire to win; that's something that makes me very confident he'll have a smooth transition to the NBA game.
 
PKM said:
Most non-Dukies feel Rivers is a snobby kid, bad teammate, selfish, entitled, team cancer, and overall punk. I actually think he has a fire that is misunderstood. He has some of those things, I believe, but not worried about it, personally.
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You've also got to realize that most non-Dukies hate Duke players simply for being Duke players.
 
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