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Umm...pretty much every game Lillard has played has been viewable. Especially true if you live within 30 miles of Ogden. Could have watched the game tonight, was on Altitude, but let's not use facts to get in the way of opinion.

His passing is fine. Weber has no athleticism in the front court (he'd feel right at home with Kanter, hyuk hyuk), so it's hard for him to get assists in the pick and roll game. Teams double in the pick and roll all the time, but the bigs aren't good enough to get to the rim. We have a defensive motor big, a plodding post big, and a pick and pop big (where Lillard gets most of his assists to the bigs). None have great hands. Most of Lillard's assists come from motion offense (easy assists, really, if the wing makes the shot), and from fast breaks. Again, if you saw the game tonight (on TV on basic cable [by looking at the lineup, a repeat of the game will be at 10:30 AM Wednesday]), you saw some really tight passes on the break, both giving Wheelwright layups.

Lillard doesn't have the "take over" mentality in games most of the time. He's having trouble getting to the lane in recent games because opposing bigs give our bigs no regard on the pick and roll, and Lillard (and Weber's O) rarely does a 1-4 go one on one set. Weber actually has more success running pick and pop with Bamforth (6-1 gunner) because the two smalls have to respect Bamforth's shot (he's got range, yo), giving Lillard a one on one matchup.

I've seen Lillard play about 20 times this year. What's your excuse?

Cool - thank you for your contribution. What's your take on Rivers vs Marshall vs Lillard for the Jazz this year? Given that Rivers is a scorer, Marshall is a passer and Lillard is a combination of both?

I personally think Lillard is the kind of scorer/shooter that could really help us knock down those 3's & gives us an iso / pick and roll/pop option that we've been lacking. If he could pass within the system and feed our bigs I think he could do quite well.
 
Cool - thank you for your contribution. What's your take on Rivers vs Marshall vs Lillard for the Jazz this year? Given that Rivers is a scorer, Marshall is a passer and Lillard is a combination of both?

I personally think Lillard is the kind of scorer/shooter that could really help us knock down those 3's & gives us an iso / pick and roll/pop option that we've been lacking. If he could pass within the system and feed our bigs I think he could do quite well.

I don't watch college basketball much, so I can't compare at all. Selfishly, I'd love Lillard on the Jazz. I will say that I would project Lillard to be, at best, on the level of Darren Collison. He'll likely have trouble with the best points in the league (who doesn't?), and I would imagine he'd be an average defender at best. He's got the tools, though. He's got the step back, the fall away off of a curl, is potent on the break, draws contact well. It's not a matter of not having the skill. It's a matter of if he can do it in the NBA. Will he be good enough to trust a step back J and have the coach allow him to do that move? I do believe Lillard is a system PG in the NBA. He'd play more off the ball than, say, Chris Paul does. He'd be great *shudder* for the Lakers.
 
I agree. I think both he and Lillard go between 15 and 19.

I feel that if UNC goes a long way in March madness, Marshall's stock will skyrocket...
I'm not sure about Lilliard yet...hopefully my TV has ESPN2 so I can watch some and some.
 
I feel that if UNC goes a long way in March madness, Marshall's stock will skyrocket...
I'm not sure about Lilliard yet...hopefully my TV has ESPN2 so I can watch some and some.

Everyone already expects UNC to go a long way. Scouts already know everything they need to know about Marshall. There's zero mystery (that's not a knock). He would have to have at least 5 straight above-average games in order for anything to change, imo.
 
Everyone already expects UNC to go a long way. Scouts already know everything they need to know about Marshall. There's zero mystery (that's not a knock). He would have to have at least 5 straight above-average games in order for anything to change, imo.

That's true...good to know.
 
Everyone already expects UNC to go a long way. Scouts already know everything they need to know about Marshall. There's zero mystery (that's not a knock). He would have to have at least 5 straight above-average games in order for anything to change, imo.

Agree. He would need to do something like what D-Will did in the tourney, if I recall he was projected to go mid to late First round. After the Arizona game his stock shot through the roof.
 
Agree. He would need to do something like what D-Will did in the tourney, if I recall he was projected to go mid to late First round. After the Arizona game his stock shot through the roof.

How about this: If he pulls off more of what he did at that Duke game last week...his stock goes up

EDIT: That's exactly what PKM said....don't read this post...too late
 
How about this: If he pulls off more of what he did at that Duke game last week...his stock goes up

If he does it a couple more times, yes, I believe it does. He's not a freshman and he plays at UNC so he's been seen plenty. But, yes, he could move as high as around 12 I'd say. I think that's his ceiling in this draft. Still think he goes 15'ish.
 
Here is an interesting thought if miller and mkg don't come out this year we should look closely at Jeff Taylor or may e trade down a little and get him. He is a defensive sf that can hit the 3 at 45% clip.
 
Here is an interesting thought if miller and mkg don't come out this year we should look closely at Jeff Taylor or may e trade down a little and get him. He is a defensive sf that can hit the 3 at 45% clip.

I forgot to mention he is now 16 on espns big board
 
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