Following potential 2014 draftees

[Harcher]

quick summary of link to article by LjJazzman for those non-readers.
- Rex Chapman evaluated one-and-done players since 2006
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- Group 1: one year players who are 1st Team All-Conference or better (All American/ POY) and drafted top10, are essentially assured to be "good to great" NBA players. (6 of 16 are all stars) He defines these players as those who dominated their peers in college - and thus are doing so in NBA

- Group 2: one year players who are not All Conf, but are FREAKISHLY good at something (athletic usually) and are drafted top 19, will be players in NBA. (~50% are double figure scores and the 50% are "on the rise.") Derrick and Enes are in this group. A couple of players drafted outside of 19 are successful, but that is not the rule.

Group 3: one year players who are drafted after 19 – 50% of them are busts and the other half play in the NBA at scrub level.

He lists the one and done players from this year
group 1:
*Andrew Wiggins – Kansas
*Julius Randle – Kentucky
*Jabari Parker – Duke
*Aaron Gordon – Arizona

group 2
*Tyler Ennis – Syracuse
*Joel Embiid – Kansas
*Noah Vonleh – Indiana
*Zach LaVine – UCLA (He's debatable...)

He says no other freshmen should come out. Stay in college and practice your game and be taught the game. Otherwise, you'll ride the pine and not ever play enough to reach your full potential.

 

[Fabtrey]

Not a McGary fan anyways. I think he sucks. No, Fatbrey, Enes kanter is way better

kanter is a better athlete with better potential. but healthy mcgary from 2 years ago was ahead of kanter in terms of knowledge of the game, post game(not saying alot, lol), much better hands, better handles, and feel for the game. Mcgary is better basketball player than kanter. but of course, that doesn't mean he is better. i think grow potential on mcgary is kinda low.

just too bad he is too old and lost 1 year of precious playing time. down the road i can see mcgary being 13/7 guy who will be team's enforcer. and honestly i think that's where kanter is heading.

 

[BTP]

https://irex3.com/2014/04/12/51-one-doneers/

Awesome write up of "one and done" freshmen entering the NBA draft. Worth reading.

Totally biased and selective.
Problem isn't these young guys overestimating their skills/talent/future. Problem is the NCAA forcing them to. A fish rots from the head down.
Nuff said.

 

[Fabtrey]

i think he is worth our 2nd round pick if we decide to go gordon/smart/exum route. if he pans out he could be our glue guy off the bench and be a physical presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOIqVeNmbU&feature=player_embeddedp

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

quick summary of link to article by LjJazzman for those non-readers.
- Rex Chapman evaluated one-and-done players since 2006
.
- Group 1: one year players who are 1st Team All-Conference or better (All American/ POY) and drafted top10, are essentially assured to be "good to great" NBA players. (6 of 16 are all stars) He defines these players as those who dominated their peers in college - and thus are doing so in NBA

- Group 2: one year players who are not All Conf, but are FREAKISHLY good at something (athletic usually) and are drafted top 19, will be players in NBA. (~50% are double figure scores and the 50% are "on the rise.") Derrick and Enes are in this group. A couple of players drafted outside of 19 are successful, but that is not the rule.

Group 3: one year players who are drafted after 19 – 50% of them are busts and the other half play in the NBA at scrub level.

He lists the one and done players from this year
group 1:
*Andrew Wiggins – Kansas
*Julius Randle – Kentucky
*Jabari Parker – Duke
*Aaron Gordon – Arizona

group 2
*Tyler Ennis – Syracuse
*Joel Embiid – Kansas
*Noah Vonleh – Indiana
*Zach LaVine – UCLA (He's debatable...)

He says no other freshmen should come out. Stay in college and practice your game and be taught the game. Otherwise, you'll ride the pine and not ever play enough to reach your full potential.

Thanks, on behalf of the reading impaired. Why wouldn't Embiid be put in Group 1? I thought he dominated quite a few of his games.

 

[John Crotty]

i think he is worth our 2nd round pick if we decide to go gordon/smart/exum route. if he pans out he could be our glue guy off the bench and be a physical presence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FOIqVeNmbU&feature=player_embeddedp

Their strength coach said he could get up to around 280 - 300 in muscle and still maintain his athleticism. Has a special body type. Would love to have him beef up a ton and just knock people around down low.

 

[John Crotty]

Thanks, on behalf of the reading impaired. Why wouldn't Embiid be put in Group 1? I thought he dominated quite a few of his games.

I think mainly he didnt win any post season awards, all conference all american teams etc ... I think ....

 

[Harcher]

Thanks, on behalf of the reading impaired. Why wouldn't Embiid be put in Group 1? I thought he dominated quite a few of his games.

He didn't 'formally' dominate by virtue of being selected all conference 1st team or better, which was the requirement for group 1.

EDIT - John Crotty with the Assist, one minute ahead...

 

[Fabtrey]

Their strength coach said he could get up to around 280 - 300 in muscle and still maintain his athleticism. Has a special body type. Would love to have him beef up a ton and just knock people around down low.

or maybe he should lose weight like kevin love and start working on his jumpers. i would rather shoot for the stars than be a white kendrick perkins. lol

 

[8]

kanter is a better athlete with better potential. but healthy mcgary from 2 years ago was ahead of kanter in terms of knowledge of the game, post game(not saying alot, lol), much better hands, better handles, and feel for the game. Mcgary is better basketball player than kanter. but of course, that doesn't mean he is better. i think grow potential on mcgary is kinda low.

just too bad he is too old and lost 1 year of precious playing time. down the road i can see mcgary being 13/7 guy who will be team's enforcer. and honestly i think that's where kanter is heading.

Enes Kanter is and will always be much better than McGary.

The college POY made McGary look a lot better than he is, which is a slow dude with no skills. Maybe he'll surprise me by being okay, but he'll never be better than or equal to Kanter.

 

[Fabtrey]

Enes Kanter is and will always be much better than McGary.

The college POY made McGary look a lot better than he is, which is a slow dude with no skills. Maybe he'll surprise me by being okay, but he'll never be better than or equal to Kanter.

if you think Mcgary has no skills then i don't know what to tell you. defense, passing ability, rebounding, all critical skills in basketball and he does very well. he has good set of hands. he just need to work on offense and get better. and he needs to make a decision. he is slow because he was playing too heavy. he was mobile for his size, but playing at 265+ is too heavy for him. honestly, i think he should lose weight like kevin love did. he has a fluid hip and has very good side to side agility. he is not a leaper, but i think he can guard 4 if he choose to lose 20lb.

i'm just not that high on kanter. potential is there, but i just don't think he will put it all together. watching him frustrates me. but i wanna see him as a Jazz at least 2 more years. he is young and can grow.

 

[8]

if you think Mcgary has no skills then i don't know what to tell you.

Just tell me I'm right and move on