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Bodhi said:
I can agree with that.
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And I agree with your agreement.

Gordon is going to be a nice player. Could he be great? Sure. But he's been playing bball for how many years? I've seen 12-yr olds with better accuracy. Heck, when I was 9, I was an 80% FT-shooter and hit 25 straight in a camp competition...and I lost!

I just hesitate to put much stock in a guy drafted for his great athleticism. With Vonleh, the tools are there; he's already a good shooter and a decent defender.
 
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
1998-99 29 32.9 18.7 52.9 29.9 73.0 1.2 9.3 1.9 2.5

shawn marions college numbers. he was still a good FT shooter

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2013-14 38 31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2 2.0 8.0 1.0 0.9

gordons numbers

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2010-11 36 32.6 15.5 44.4 29.1 75.9 2.5 10.6 0.6 1.4
2009-10 34 31.3 12.7 45.5 20.5 72.6 1.9 9.9 0.7 1.4

kawhi Leonard's stats

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2011-12 40 31.1 11.9 49.1 25.5 74.5 1.9 7.4 0.9 1.0

mkg's stats

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2009-10 31 31.3 15.8 44.7 27.3 69.8 1.3 10.7 1.4 1.4
2008-09 31 29.0 12.9 51.6 17.9 67.1 1.5 8.2 1.2 1.0

al-Farouq aminu stats

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2003-04 37 31.1 15.1 47.5 36.0 71.0 1.8 6.9 1.1 1.3

luol deng
 
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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];836764 said:
Dudes, I share your concerns... but comments like Gordon has "zero offense" have got to stop. He handles, passes, rebounds, finishes, and shoots too well for that label. IMO.

A good coach can bring him along by getting him offense from where he's most comfortable. Gordon is so athletic that I think he'll be able to pick those spots for himself (rather than having athletic deficits pick them for him).

I think he's a reach at 5, but probably not at 7 or 8.
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I have a problem with the things that are highlighted.

1. His handles aren't that good, and shoots too well, I think not. (biggest weakness)

2. I don't even think he's worth 7 or 8. My best case is 15, and most likely only worth 20-25. All he will do is take away the paint, because no one will fear his shot, just like when Brewer was here. Yes this will allow him to slash and get shots at the rim, but that means he will get fouled most of the time as the defender will be waiting for him, and what a surprise, he misses over half his ft's. I have a feeling his, and MKG's scouting reports are very similar, athletic, great defense, IQ, passing, bad shooting.

Many are justifying Gordon's weaknesses due to character, and work ethic, and high IQ, and saying he will improve leaps and bounds because of these traits, well MKG had all these traits, and it has only allowed him to improve slightly.

This doesn't mean he will bust, but it's just as likely he will be just a glue guy or role player as he is to be a Allstar or very good player. I don't see how we can justify taking him top five or even top ten.


Gamer13 said:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
1998-99 29 32.9 18.7 52.9 29.9 73.0 1.2 9.3 1.9 2.5

shawn marions college numbers. he was still a good FT shooter

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2013-14 38 31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2 2.0 8.0 1.0 0.9

gordons numbers
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Good post and very eye popping numbers
 
Gamer13 said:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
1998-99 29 32.9 18.7 52.9 29.9 73.0 1.2 9.3 1.9 2.5

shawn marions college numbers. he was still a good FT shooter

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2013-14 38 31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2 2.0 8.0 1.0 0.9

gordons numbers
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33.5% more PPG is fairly significant, along with over double the steals blocks.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I have a problem with the things that are highlighted.

1. His handles aren't that good, and shoots too well, I think not. (biggest weakness)

2. I don't even think he's worth 7 or 8. My best case is 15, and most likely only worth 20-25. All he will do is take away the paint, because no one will fear his shot, just like when Brewer was here. Yes this will allow him to slash and get shots at the rim, but that means he will get fouled most of the time as the defender will be waiting for him, and what a surprise, he misses over half his ft's. I have a feeling his, and MKG's scouting reports are very similar, athletic, great defense, IQ, passing, bad shooting.

Many are justifying Gordon's weaknesses due to character, and work ethic, and high IQ, and saying he will improve leaps and bounds because of these traits, well MKG had all these traits, and it has only allowed him to improve slightly.

This doesn't mean he will bust, but it's just as likely he will be just a glue guy or role player as he is to be a Allstar or very good player. I don't see how we can justify taking him top five or even top ten.



Good post and very eye popping numbers
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I actually think MKG is a pretty good case in point. I see AG having a very similar career to MKG so far. A dude you'd love to have on your team......just not at 5. He's the kind of guy you hope you mine from our pick at 23.
 
I think Kawhi Leonard might be a precedent for AG as far as developing offense. I just don't think AG is a guy you take top 5 in this draft. Vonleh looks like he can do everything.
 
Catchall said:
I think Kawhi Leonard might be a precedent for AG as far as developing offense. I just don't think AG is a guy you take top 5 in this draft. Vonleh looks like he can do everything.
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Was just about to say same thing in regard to Leonard/Gordon. A freshman Gordon compares pretty favorably to a freshman Kawhi. While their upside was a bit different (explosiveness/height vs. arm/hand size), their skills and shortcomings were described very similarly.

I think that if the Jazz think Kawhi-level achievement is possible, Gordon has to be in the mix at 5. Biggest question is whether FT shooting exemplifies his overall shooting or is a fixable anomaly.
 
Gamer13 said:
Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
1998-99 29 32.9 18.7 52.9 29.9 73.0 1.2 9.3 1.9 2.5

shawn marions college numbers. he was still a good FT shooter

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2013-14 38 31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2 2.0 8.0 1.0 0.9

gordons numbers

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2010-11 36 32.6 15.5 44.4 29.1 75.9 2.5 10.6 0.6 1.4
2009-10 34 31.3 12.7 45.5 20.5 72.6 1.9 9.9 0.7 1.4

kawhi Leonard's stats

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG%FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2011-12 40 31.1 11.9 49.1 25.5 74.5 1.9 7.4 0.9 1.0

mkg's stats
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the only difference is he seems to be a BETTER 3pt shooter and an awful FT shooter
 
Great stats from Gamer!!

Shows, if nothing else, how hard this drafting business is. Though all very closely bunched together, Gordon is tops among all in assists and just a hair behind Deng for tops in 3FG%. He was relatively low in PPG (nearly exactly between Leonard and MKG).
 
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