orangello
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Do you think the reported "promise" that he got from the Thunder is legit?
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Do you think the reported "promise" that he got from the Thunder is legit?
Game6Conley
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Yes. Of all the smokescreens pre-draft there's solid reasoning behind this one, the teams looking at Kristaps dont want him to pull out of the draft, which is still possible for another week or so.
I can remember reading a rumor about the Thunder looking for a big to draft and stash with one of the picks before the Porzingis promise rumor. Another reason I think its legit is IMO, the Thunder have no chance at him next year.
Porzingis did say he wasn't going to be in this draft, then a few weeks later unexpectedly declared.
seattlejazzfan
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It could make things awkward at the point unless Burke were traded, but I agree, he's probably just as good as Burke, could be a little better. Very similar players in college, similar size, Burke was better at some things, Napier was better at a couple things.
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Game6Conley
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If the Jazz can get someone to overpay for Trey Burke im all for it, but im not crazy about projecting Shabazz as a legit starter for a good playoff team. If that trade happens id hope the Jazz plan on making offers for Isaiah Thomas, Kyle Lowry or Eric Bledsoe. (or at least Patty Mills as a fallback option)
Shabazz might be the better 3pt shooter. 20/43 from 3 in 6 games during the tournament.
Shabazz might be the better 3pt shooter. 20/43 from 3 in 6 games during the tournament.
I think Burke has made enough clutch shots in his career to warrant at least another 2-3 years at the helm. We're definitely selling him short if we don't at least give him a good go.
seattlejazzfan
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Better rebounder and better defender as well. As far as projecting Napier to be a legit starter on a playoff team, I agree with you, but then I'm not sure Burke is either. I think Napier would be excellent replacement for Burke if Burke could be moved for a valuable piece - though I have doubts about whether Burke could fetch anything worthwhile.
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Coach Ellis
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You guys make me laugh.
We don't have any star players (yet).
We have NO depth at all.
We have a brand new coach who will implement a brand new system that may or may not suit the young players that we do have.
We have three picks in the upcoming draft AND an aggressive GM who made 3 trades last year to get the players that he wanted.
We have two decent assets out in Europe who may or may not be brought over.
And we have six talented 1st round picks (5 who were lottery picks) who have barely played together and have just struggled with new assignments and suffered through a long, tank season without getting completely down on themselves or the team.
Why does every draft pick mean that we have to ship one of the players we currently have to another team?
We're not getting fair value for getting rid of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke or Gobert. Maybe next year, but not this offseason. The Jazz are much better off adding a couple of new draft picks, bringing Tomic and Neto over, maybe adding a FA or two, and then letting Snyder and his staff sort out how the pieces we have fit for him this upcoming season before getting really aggressive next offseason.
If they're able to work out a trade to move up in the draft and nab Jabari Parker, then I'm all for that. I'd prefer to see them ship out a boatload of picks and keep our Core5 players, but I'd be happy with the end result regardless of how it goes down. Outside of trading for Parker, I want them to stay at #5 and draft Aaron Gordon, then try to maximize #23 and #35 into another lottery pick. The added depth along with an energized coaching staff should make the Jazz a much better team. If they truly want to land a franchise player, they're going to need rock solid assets to get them. Our assets aren't to that point yet, but they could be if they continue to develop them.
Everything about this offseason SCREAMS developing the young players to me.
We don't have any star players (yet).
We have NO depth at all.
We have a brand new coach who will implement a brand new system that may or may not suit the young players that we do have.
We have three picks in the upcoming draft AND an aggressive GM who made 3 trades last year to get the players that he wanted.
We have two decent assets out in Europe who may or may not be brought over.
And we have six talented 1st round picks (5 who were lottery picks) who have barely played together and have just struggled with new assignments and suffered through a long, tank season without getting completely down on themselves or the team.
Why does every draft pick mean that we have to ship one of the players we currently have to another team?
We're not getting fair value for getting rid of Favors, Kanter, Hayward, Burks, Burke or Gobert. Maybe next year, but not this offseason. The Jazz are much better off adding a couple of new draft picks, bringing Tomic and Neto over, maybe adding a FA or two, and then letting Snyder and his staff sort out how the pieces we have fit for him this upcoming season before getting really aggressive next offseason.
If they're able to work out a trade to move up in the draft and nab Jabari Parker, then I'm all for that. I'd prefer to see them ship out a boatload of picks and keep our Core5 players, but I'd be happy with the end result regardless of how it goes down. Outside of trading for Parker, I want them to stay at #5 and draft Aaron Gordon, then try to maximize #23 and #35 into another lottery pick. The added depth along with an energized coaching staff should make the Jazz a much better team. If they truly want to land a franchise player, they're going to need rock solid assets to get them. Our assets aren't to that point yet, but they could be if they continue to develop them.
Everything about this offseason SCREAMS developing the young players to me.
You sort of had me until this part. Even #23 and #35 together do not warrant even the last lottery pick (#14) in this year's draft.
Coach Ellis
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I agree with you completely. The draft is a fluid thing. Guys that are projected high are going to drop and I'd expect the Jazz to look toward using other/future assets if the players that fall are worth the investment. Otherwise, you just try to get up as far as possible and grab the best player you can. I just didn't want to commit to using a future 1st round pick to move up unless they get a quality player (and probably another asset) out of it as well.
Stifle Tower
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Agree with Ellis.
Even with Karl and John, two of the biggest stars of their era, the Jazz were never able to add enough quality depth to put them over the top. Give up too much and you're then adding FA's like Elson, Howard, Bell, etc. Is that better than adding to the core we have now? Also agree trade value is currently low coming off underwhelming seasons for most of the Jazz players.
We ostensibly have five starters (or maybe four plus a 6th man) and perhaps an eventual sixth solid rotation player (Gobert). Jazz can add 2 more to that group via the draft and maybe 1-2 FA's, as necessary. Tomic and Neto may/may not be part of the mix. Imagine being 2 deep at every position. That's when you have enough assets to go after the Hardens and Loves. Right now, I agree with Ellis that our assets just aren't rated high enough.
As for the #23 and #35, I don't think it gets Utah to #14. I see the Jazz perhaps being able to move up to the 17-19 range.
Even with Karl and John, two of the biggest stars of their era, the Jazz were never able to add enough quality depth to put them over the top. Give up too much and you're then adding FA's like Elson, Howard, Bell, etc. Is that better than adding to the core we have now? Also agree trade value is currently low coming off underwhelming seasons for most of the Jazz players.
We ostensibly have five starters (or maybe four plus a 6th man) and perhaps an eventual sixth solid rotation player (Gobert). Jazz can add 2 more to that group via the draft and maybe 1-2 FA's, as necessary. Tomic and Neto may/may not be part of the mix. Imagine being 2 deep at every position. That's when you have enough assets to go after the Hardens and Loves. Right now, I agree with Ellis that our assets just aren't rated high enough.
As for the #23 and #35, I don't think it gets Utah to #14. I see the Jazz perhaps being able to move up to the 17-19 range.