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Following potential 2014 draftees

Catchall said:
Other than Randle (who is almost certainly a top-3 pick), is there another big in this draft that would make the Jazz better than we already are in the front court? Even if Austin and Cauley-Stein really pan out, it seems they are no better than a lateral move from Kanter, Favors and Gobert.

It looks like we can focus on guards and wings, of which this draft has plenty.

Now, lets say we trade one of our bigs (Favors or Kanter) for another pick. How high up do you think that would get us?


See, here's the scenario I'm looking for---the Jazz's own pick comes in top 5 and nets us Jabari Parker. Then by trading Kanter, the Jazz get back in the draft at #7 or 8 and pick Aaron Harrison or Dante Exum.

That would leave us with Harrison/Hayward/Parker/Favors/Gobert, with Burke/Burks off the bench and ample cap flexibility. That's a nice distribution of talent with plenty of offense, defense and rebounding. I like Kanter, but the reality is that we can't afford to extend everybody, and Gobert is the kind of defensive presence a championship contending team needs to have.

Or maybe we just stick with Kanter/Favors and bring Gobert off the bench. Keep Trey Burke as the starter and draft Aaron Harrison or Wayne Selden with GSW's pick.
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I like where you are going with this.

- love Parker good fit

- honestly I see the jazz trading favors before kanter because favors and Gobert, although good defensively there's no inside scoring. kanter and Gobert is a better match. personally I like the rotation of favors, kanter and Gobert.

- burks seems the mostly trade piece with a future pick(s) if the jazz wanted to get an additional pick, draft night. there are a handfull of sgs that I like better then burks.

- the best way to get another pick in this draft would be to shop rush and or Williams to a playoff team that needs shooting and defense off the bench.
 
Nice take. I just think it may be possible to come away from this draft with BOTH Jabari Parker AND Exum or Harrision, althewhile keeping Hayward and either Favors or Kanter. This would give us a match-up advantage at multiple positions on the floor. I'd be willing to move one big and Burke or Burks to achieve this, since I don't think we can afford to pay everyone longer term anyway.

I do like Kanter, and think he's a real difference maker, especially at PF. It just seems as though he and Favors have to learn to play together, and so far they're in each others way a bit.
 
Catchall said:
Other than Randle (who is almost certainly a top-3 pick), is there another big in this draft that would make the Jazz better than we already are in the front court? Even if Austin and Cauley-Stein really pan out, it seems they are no better than a lateral move from Kanter, Favors and Gobert.

It looks like we can focus on guards and wings, of which this draft has plenty.

Now, lets say we trade one of our bigs (Favors or Kanter) for another pick. How high up do you think that would get us?


See, here's the scenario I'm looking for---the Jazz's own pick comes in top 5 and nets us Jabari Parker. Then by trading Kanter, the Jazz get back in the draft at #7 or 8 and pick Aaron Harrison or Dante Exum.

That would leave us with Harrison/Hayward/Parker/Favors/Gobert, with Burke/Burks off the bench and ample cap flexibility. That's a nice distribution of talent with plenty of offense, defense and rebounding. I like Kanter, but the reality is that we can't afford to extend everybody, and Gobert is the kind of defensive presence a championship contending team needs to have.

Or maybe we just stick with Kanter/Favors and bring Gobert off the bench. Keep Trey Burke as the starter and draft Aaron Harrison or Wayne Selden with GSW's pick.
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This is one of those posts where I try to discipline myself not to vent about stupidity, inbreeding amongst other stuff. The result of you wasting your own and everyone else's time is
1) you don't follow this thread. Don't discuss when you don't follow. Add but don't discuss.
2) you would be a worse GM than Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan
Next time you make weird predictions at least offer your throught process, though I seriously doubt there was one in the first place.
You're welcome.
 
BTP said:
This is one of those posts where I try to discipline myself not to vent about stupidity, inbreeding amongst other stuff. The result of you wasting your own and everyone else's time is
1) you don't follow this thread. Don't discuss when you don't follow. Add but don't discuss.
2) you would be a worse GM than Isiah Thomas and Michael Jordan
Next time you make weird predictions at least offer your throught process, though I seriously doubt there was one in the first place.
You're welcome.
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Hey dip****, the Jazz can pick up two more impact players in this upcoming draft and will probably have to move 2 or more of the 8 young players acquired in this next draft and recent drafts in order to manage expectations for minutes and for financial reasons. So it makes sense to spread the talent across all positions on the floor in order to maximize impact. The question the FO has to ask themselves is whether they prefer a rotation with Trey Burke plus Kanter/Favors, or whether they would be willing to move either Kanter or Favors to bring in an upgrade in the backcourt. I can all but guarantee that they'll be asking themselves this while they watch the young players progress this year. That's the thought process.

I do follow this thread and post in it regularly. Your comments about stupidity, inbreeding and Isaiah Thomas (who was a bad GM, but wouldn't normally be mentioned in the same sentence as inbreeding and stupidity) are off base.
 
I understand what Catchall is saying, but I don't want to give up Favors or Kanter for anything short of a top 3 pick in 2014. I like the idea of having twin towers too much. It's so hard to match up with over a 7 game series (assuming they both pan out pretty well, which I think they will).
 
spycam1 said:
I understand what Catchall is saying, but I don't want to give up Favors or Kanter for anything short of a top 3 pick in 2014. I like the idea of having twin towers too much. It's so hard to match up with over a 7 game series (assuming they both pan out pretty well, which I think they will).
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For the record.. I was taking no position on the particular issue (s) but rather taking some exception with how BTP handled it.
 
PKM said:
Two good posters...

BTP was off base, totally. Catchall is by far one of the best here.
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1) BTP has had multiple snippets of douchebaggery (I even neg-repped one of them from a week back or so). I personally don't consider his takes particularly thought-provoking to begin with-- and his condescending attitude renders it completely pedestrian for me.

2) Hilarious seeing BTP mention that Catchall (a really good poster) doesn't follow this thread, when he has posted in the last two renditions of the "Following Draftees" threads, and has 100x the library of good posts that BTP does.
 
I never understood the personal attacks

right now if I was gm this is what my team would look like after next draft assuming jazz pick #3, #20 (gsw) and trade burks and rush for a pick in the teens.

Parker
young
Harris

Burke, Neto
Hayward, Harris
Parker, young
kanter, Williams (mid level deal)
favors, Gobert
 
I stand on what I said.

Yes, BTP is a bit edgy and comes off a bit wtf? at times.. but I also think he has has some monstrously good observations/takes.

That last post tho was a doozy of a bad one.. ma boi Catchall is da real ****.
 
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