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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
it would suprise me, tbh.

duke players historically dont win much in the nba (only duke players to win an NBA championship in the coach K era is, Danny Ferry as a benchwarmer on the 02 spurs, and now ****stain shane battier 2x)

and even more important than that, duke players just dont live up to their draft pick, yet these duke players continue to get more press for "doing it the right way"

Shelden williams was the 6th pick.
Mike Dunleavy was picked 3rd.
Jay Williams was picked 2nd.
Corey Magette was picked 13th.
Trajan Langdon was picked 11th.
Elton Brand went 1st overall.


i can go on and on but im kinda busy,

theres been a few legit duke players, but they to me dont seem like the typical "duke" players

mainly Luol Deng, and Kyrie Irving... both of these players are the clear outperformers, i think not only will Jabari get the classic "coached by coach k" bump in stock, cemented by the slobbering of dickie v' and his love for duke, and the nonstop buzzing that will go on in national media... id assume the duke hype machine will be play the "best freshman ever at duke card" to inflate his value... not that his value isnt great all by himself, wait til the hypenitis sets in

expect comparisons to durant
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This is a laughable argument.

If anything, it shows that Duke (Coach K) gets more out of his players than most people would have.

You can't blame college teams for kids underperforming where they were drafted when they shouldn't have been drafted that high anyways. I mean, that would be like blaming Kentucky and Calipari for MKG not performing to his #2 draft pick.

Also, while several of those guys didn't live up to their draft slot, almost all of them (JWill due to injury and Langdon due to sucking) have probably all played at least 10 year. That my friend, is impressive.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
1) what the hell is the #2 pick in the draft doing ripping around on a motorcycle, let alone one he couldent handle? sounds like somthing youd hear about a draft pick like DeJuan Wagner or Amare Stoudemire, not a coach k disciple..

2) luol deng is not a typical duke recruit his older bother (or brothers, i forget) were already established pros overseas... deng was compared to magic johnson before he played a game at duke, also he didnt go 1 and done, probably because he had nothing to worry about.

not sure if this is true but my buddy knows lots of crazy stories like this... apparently at duke luol deng used to get so many girls he had a sign up sheet outside his door....

my point with Kyrie (who comes from a rich family) and Deng is they arent the classic, stay for the education and the experience dookies, they were there to display their skills for the nba, i think Parker is doing the same

and 3) i compare Parker to paul pierce, i think his shot is hard to block not because of an athletic advantage like Dirk or Durant but that hes just excellent in small space... i do fully expect the national media to compare him to durant though
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1) I agree he had nothing to do there, but he lost a lot for not acting smart and I fully guess that he's fully aware of that reading interviews with him. But a lot of kids make stupid things when they're young. I'd say more kids do those than don't. And a young NBA player getting your first paychecks on your account when you never had any money. that's a distraction for almost everyone. I could tell you in what kind of situations I was at age 18-20 and while those things were never initiated by me I just went by it. I think it's a lot of randomness. Other NBA stars rode motorcycles too. Kobe even took one to staples for a game. What if he had that random situation? Or another driver hit him?
It's one thing to call someone out for having huge potential and preferring to be not willing to improve. That urges you as a true fan, as you have more sympathy with your franchise than an individual. But off the court stuff, stupid as they may be is something else, and most people struggle at some point with personal lifes/lifestyle decisions.

2) Luol was a one and done player, his elder brother at that time was in his first professional year in England. You shouldn't ask me what a early 2000's basketball pro can earn there. Having a successful mechanic business is WAYYYYYYY more lucrative. Especially in the US...I don't know exactly what Deng's financial situation was as an amateur, but he had 5+ siblings and as a Sudanese political refugee I'm very confident his father's pension as a politician wasn't paid.
Maybe he had a list in front of his door. He was 18, who doesn't like to have sex that age? He's at the same time an educated person, who has shown repeatedly that he genuinely cares about others. If any of those girls got him to stay, that's a jackpot. If the girls are okay with knowing they're not the only ones and take proper birth and STD control measures, it's only fair and square from my POV.
It's not like he exploited their sexuality.
And why would Luol stay for education? Nearly none can master a demanding degree while being full time pro at the same time, spending 40+ hours a week on basketball. Just to obtain an African American Study degree for which he needs to read and elaborate on a MLK book isn't really making you a more educated individual. No offense...
I've met American kids studying in Germany, who are talented baller but decided against the career, simply because their coach told them: You either take blowoff courses and play ball or you focus on your study and are a practice body w/o scholarship.

3) Well I'm relieved you don't think that comparison is legit. But I don't really see how an expert would popularize this one. It doesn't seem appealing. I think the Carmelo comparison is more probable to arise, even if similarly wrong in the most important aspect...Melo is an instinctive player, Parker has a trained perception of his surroundings leading to automatically good decisions.
 
PKM said:
Great question.. Parker and Harris. I see Harris and AaHarrison ALMOST a wash and I would take Parker before Andrew.
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Yeah I'm leaning towards that pair myself, Jabari is clearly #2 in the draft and Andrew is probably #4.

Having said that, if we get the #4 pick, then the Andrew and Aaron pairing is a great consolation prize.
 
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Hotttnickkk said:
Andrew Harrison & Aaron Harrison VS Jabari Parker & Gary Harris


Which pair would you guys rather have???

GO!!!
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great question I would choose Parker Harris right now

reasoning

1- I have to assume the Burke will be the pg we saw at Michigan. if that is true then Andrew becomes redundant.
2- I love Gary Harris's game. his jump shot is flawless. he just plays the right way.
3- Parker will bring a championship to the team that he plays for. he is so fundamentally sound it is incredible.
4- both Harris and Parker prototypical jazz players.

ultimately it comes to line ups

Burke
Hayward
Parker
favors
kanter

bench

Neto
burks
Harris

vs

Harrison
burks
Hayward
favors
kanter

bench

Burke
Neto
Harrison


I like how team 1 is put together most
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Yeah I'm leaning towards that pair myself, Jabari is clearly #2 in the draft and Andrew is probably #4.

Having said that, if we get the #4 pick, then the Andrew and Aaron pairing is a great consolation prize.
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Wouldn't it be funny if we're sure to get Andrew at #4, that we give a promise to Aaron and he doesn't have to do any workouts for other teams???!!!!
 
At this point, the Jazz need one great player, rather than two more very good players.

Wiggins, Randle and Parker all look like great players. From there, I think there's some drop off to Andrew Harrison and Dante Exum.
 
I'm really not a huge Gary Harris fan (as a pro prospect).

Yes he plays with good fundamentals, has a great shot, but his size is a major limiting factor. Don't get me wrong, I love Parker, but I would strongly consider the Harrison twins over Parker and Harris.
 
Hantlers said:
I'm really not a huge Gary Harris fan (as a pro prospect).

Yes he plays with good fundamentals, has a great shot, but his size is a major limiting factor. Don't get me wrong, I love Parker, but I would strongly consider the Harrison twins over Parker and Harris.
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Agreed with this.
 
personally I would rather have Parker James young. Parker can play the 3/4 the other player would need to play the 2/3.

burks can play the 2/1 I hope and so would aaron. not the best for team building
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
thats a fallacy of predetermined outcome, classic monday morning quarterbacking.

why are you defending the status quo?

theres 1,000's of people sitting in prisons worldwide blamed for things they didnt do. the municipalities involved shouldent be blamed for that either? blame espn?
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I liked it better when you were gone.

Nobody needs to read your idiocy.
 
Hantlers said:
I liked it better when you were gone.

Nobody needs to read your idiocy.
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Come on, he's just polarizing...Other takes of him are actually legit. This comparison doesn't hold up though.
The fans should blame their favorite team to make a false evaluation on talent and/or personality. But fans are in love with their franchises too much, and when players start publicly to display disinterest in succeeding it makes it easy for fans to pass the blame from the franchise to the individual. That individual will be gone before long and you can continue to hate/taunt him for the duration of his next attempts.
 
Hantlers said:
I'm really not a huge Gary Harris fan (as a pro prospect).

Yes he plays with good fundamentals, has a great shot, but his size is a major limiting factor. Don't get me wrong, I love Parker, but I would strongly consider the Harrison twins over Parker and Harris.
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I agree with this as well.
 
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