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Perhaps this has been talked about, or perhaps it's common just knowledge, but anyone else get the feeling that an underlying reason to go young this year is to showcase our young talent to the rest of the league in anticipation of trading one of our "Core-5" guys? I think if we get a top 5 pick, then we're going wing or guard, and it's a nice idea to think that, "well if we get Harrison, then Burke can come of the bench, or if we get Wiggins or Parker, then Burks can be our 6th man," but it doesn't usually bode well for a young starter who just started 82 games and really contributed to then be relegated to the bench and replaced in the starting lineup by a rookie.

I guess it's possible that our top 5 pick would come off the bench at the start, but I really think Lindsey's showcasing these young guys to perpetuate his strategy of collecting assets.

Think if Burks has a solid year (12/5/4), and looks promising, then we have a chance to get Wiggins, Randle or Parker (all who could realistically shine at the SF spot). You could either turn Burks or Hayward + a future pick into something else special (heck look at what OKC got for Harden), and then either slide Hayward to the 2, and our rookie stud at the 3.

Everyone's talking about other teams' models to use to rebuild, I think Lindsey is using a hybrid between what Morey did in HOU (accumulate assets to be in a position to pounce on a star), OKC (go young and get high picks) and SA (scout the hell out of foreign guys and find economical/efficient role players).
 
margodydek said:
Perhaps this has been talked about, or perhaps it's common just knowledge, but anyone else get the feeling that an underlying reason to go young this year is to showcase our young talent to the rest of the league in anticipation of trading one of our "Core-5" guys? I think if we get a top 5 pick, then we're going wing or guard, and it's a nice idea to think that, "well if we get Harrison, then Burke can come of the bench, or if we get Wiggins or Parker, then Burks can be our 6th man," but it doesn't usually bode well for a young starter who just started 82 games and really contributed to then be relegated to the bench and replaced in the starting lineup by a rookie.

I guess it's possible that our top 5 pick would come off the bench at the start, but I really think Lindsey's showcasing these young guys to perpetuate his strategy of collecting assets.

Think if Burks has a solid year (12/5/4), and looks promising, then we have a chance to get Wiggins, Randle or Parker (all who could realistically shine at the SF spot). You could either turn Burks or Hayward + a future pick into something else special. Heck look at what OKC got for Harden.

Everyone's talking about other teams' models to use to rebuild, I think Lindsey is using a hybrid between what Morey did in HOU (accumulate assets to be in a position to pounce on a star), OKC (go young and get high picks) and SA (scout the hell out of foreign guys and find economical/efficient role players).
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I've stated this many times, but I think it's this simple.
The FO knows we have some nice players on the roster.
They know we are set up very nicely in the '14 draft.
They know we have the cap space in a very good upcoming FA.

We will use this year to get the young guys playing time, see who can play at an elite level, see who has chemistry with teammates and the organization, and trade those that don't to move up or whatever. My word for this season is EVALUATION. Then it will come down to using all our assets to plug holes.
 
BTP said:
This argument is totally invalid. There's been NO good argument on this site, why the Jazz would end up with a 5-8 pick. The best "arguments" included Favors or Kanter playing on an allstar like levels...But yeah, that's a big load to predict a breakoutseason individually that translates into team success.
I for myself have repeatedly have written arguments why they'll land in the 2-5 range. I've NEVER assumed this actually happens, but my prognosis at least contained arguments. It's not 1 regular season game played. You can assume odds when regular season nears the end. But not now. Just take a step back,look at the bigger picture and talk about the players, the Jazz range is a topic that becomes relevant later.
That's not like I don't like when someone posts sth like: I had a dream to get a signature of Wiggins in a Jazz jersey.
But I really hate it when people start making points based on their gut, or if it isn't their gut fail to outline their train of thought...
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Give me some good reasons why Boston, Orlando, Philadelphia and Phoenix will be worse than the Jazz? AS free agency progressed, I made a tracker of all the non-playoff teams and their additions/subtractions. There are some teams that were in the 20-30 win range that I've moved ahead of the Jazz such as Charlotte, New Orleans, Sacramento and Washington based on off-season moves. The core4 of Utah was a terrific unit last season, often digging the Jazz out of deep holes. And that was with a huge hole at PG. Will they struggle against starting units? Definitely. But on a comparative basis, I see several teams that have worse overall starters and are not much better in terms of their bench. 20 and 21 wins represented the 2 worst records last season; 30 wins would have been 9th worst. As hard as I try, I have a very difficult time seeing the Jazz win less than 25-30....unless there are significant injuries.
 
BTP said:
. They have Nik Vucevic. His defensive and offensive stats in his breakthrough season suggest he isn't finished and is already a more proven player than Favors, even if Favors upside is higher. He simply played the bigger role. .
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Disagree about the more proven than Favors part. Favors PER is just as high and had he had the minutes of nikola, he would have put up really solid numbers.
 
Core4 said:
Give me some good reasons why Boston, Orlando, Philadelphia and Phoenix will be worse than the Jazz? AS free agency progressed, I made a tracker of all the non-playoff teams and their additions/subtractions. There are some teams that were in the 20-30 win range that I've moved ahead of the Jazz such as Charlotte, New Orleans, Sacramento and Washington based on off-season moves. The core4 of Utah was a terrific unit last season, often digging the Jazz out of deep holes. And that was with a huge hole at PG. Will they struggle against starting units? Definitely. But on a comparative basis, I see several teams that have worse overall starters and are not much better in terms of their bench. 20 and 21 wins represented the 2 worst records last season; 30 wins would have been 9th worst. As hard as I try, I have a very difficult time seeing the Jazz win less than 25-30....unless there are significant injuries.
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Scroll a little bit up, and there's an in depth prediction based on SWOT analysis. You'll find out I just see Philly worse than the Jazz clear cut, see the Jazz competing with the Bucks for 2nd worst record. That's simply my conclusion. And regarding the hole at PG, I think that stays the same. I'm not saying by this that Burke isn't the real deal, but he'll probably struggle heavily as a rook.

Batman said:
Disagree about the more proven than Favors part. Favors PER is just as high and had he had the minutes of nikola, he would have put up really solid numbers.
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But he didn't have the minutes. This year he plays more vs starters as opposed to bench players, we'll see what happens. But as of now Vucevic is the more productive player in total numbers.
It's very possible that he will look better this season, because Favors will be a higher priority for opposite defenses to eliminate in comparison with Vucevic, who has more options at his side and is a good passer. I even wrote Favors has the upside, but has to prove it more. Vucevic can simply continue where he left.
 
PKM said:
I've stated this many times, but I think it's this simple.
The FO knows we have some nice players on the roster.
They know we are set up very nicely in the '14 draft.
They know we have the cap space in a very good upcoming FA.

We will use this year to get the young guys playing time, see who can play at an elite level, see who has chemistry with teammates and the organization, and trade those that don't to move up or whatever. My word for this season is EVALUATION. Then it will come down to using all our assets to plug holes.
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Great post. I think the plan is to bring Alec Burks off the bench. It's been mentioned a couple of times by Corbin. And I don't think Alec will have a problem with it if he's getting 25-30 mins/game. He can be the #1 option and the playmaker with the 2nd unit. It's an easy sell. All Lindsey has to do is mention his time at San Antonio and ask Alec if he's ever heard of some guy named Manu. That opens up a starting spot for a SF or SG next year depending on where Hayward is slotted.

And if we were to get Randle? PKM knows college players better than I do, but challenge him to beat out Favors. Chances are in year 1 he doesn't, but he'd still be able to get 30 mins at PF. Then you make a decision to trade one or pitch one of the two as being a dominant 6th man. You could do the same at PG. Many teams use two PG's at times. I'll bet Harrison could play off the ball to get extra mins. He certainly has the size. Top picks don't necessarily need to start right away - just give them 25-30 mins. and let them dominate off the bench for a season or two. Pitch it to the team and the media: "We've got 8 starters on this team. Obviously only 5 can play at any given time. But they'll all get starter's mins. And that let's us play the same quality of basketball for 48 mins. Other teams just don't have that kind of depth." Winning will take care of attitudes. And if it doesn't, then you make a trade.
 
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BTP said:
Scroll a little bit up, and there's an in depth prediction based on SWOT analysis. You'll find out I just see Philly worse than the Jazz clear cut, see the Jazz competing with the Bucks for 2nd worst record. That's simply my conclusion. And regarding the hole at PG, I think that stays the same. I'm not saying by this that Burke isn't the real deal, but he'll probably struggle heavily as a rook.
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Guess we'll see who's right once the season progresses. Barring significant injuries, you see Utah landing in the top-3 (pre-lottery). I see them in the 6-8 range. BTW, I hope you're right!
 
I suppose, sure..
I need to see how this year goes for him. Word is he's really improved his handles and shot. If so, yes. If not, he's a smaller version of Blake.
 
Core4 said:
Guess we'll see who's right once the season progresses. Barring significant injuries, you see Utah landing in the top-3 (pre-lottery). I see them in the 6-8 range. BTW, I hope you're right!
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Just to tell you why I think the Jazz are that bad: They lost their best (current, not upside wise) player in Millsap. That's a huge gap to close. Which they can't do adequately for starters(yet,14/15 they'll be prolly better at starting PF) and even less depth wise. They have no 2nd unit...That's estimate I see the Jazz so weak. Burke will probably need a long time to transition. He's no Lillard! If opponents can focus their defensive effort on Hayward, Kanter and Favors, at least 2 will probably be very streaky at the beginning struggling with the attention.
But Jazz analysis is something done so often, so I didn't wanna repeat myself at first.

One team I forgot are the Hawks. But I don't see the Hawks that bad, maybe even close to sneaking into playoffs, due to their depth of proven veterans(Horford, Millsap, Teague, Korver, Lou, DeShawn)
 
spycam1 said:
Anyone think Gordon could be better than Griffin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7tkhuLEJig
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Who knows. As we talked about earlier I think he's worth a look at our 3. His form on his shot looks fine to me.
Watching all the work out videos, and Nike practice footage. Let's see how he shoots this year in college.
He projects as a good defender in the NBA. I get wet just thinking about him with Favors and Kanter.
As it stands right now I think it's a fine plan B if we miss out on the big 4 guns in the draft. He might be around 5-7 which we very well
maybe drafting at. Right now he looks like a great consolation prize.
 
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