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Following potential 2014 draftees

Catchall said:
Hey dip****, the Jazz can pick up two more impact players in this upcoming draft and will probably have to move 2 or more of the 8 young players acquired in this next draft and recent drafts in order to manage expectations for minutes and for financial reasons. So it makes sense to spread the talent across all positions on the floor in order to maximize impact. The question the FO has to ask themselves is whether they prefer a rotation with Trey Burke plus Kanter/Favors, or whether they would be willing to move either Kanter or Favors to bring in an upgrade in the backcourt. I can all but guarantee that they'll be asking themselves this while they watch the young players progress this year. That's the thought process.

I do follow this thread and post in it regularly. Your comments about stupidity, inbreeding and Isaiah Thomas (who was a bad GM, but wouldn't normally be mentioned in the same sentence as inbreeding and stupidity) are off base.
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First : Kanter right now has a high ceiling, but shown less in real NBA action, there is no GOOD trade possible until he performs in a way that you expect borderline allstar status in the future and Trey Burke got just selected #9 by trading up. So Trey Burke will get at least 2 years time worst case to show what he can. More likely 3. If he sucks you mix in free agency or draft another PG with a mediocre pick in 2015 or 2016.
2nd: The Jazz don't have payroll problems in the next 5 years other than they take Gilbert Arenas under contract on old conditions. With a #1 pick and a $10M / year extension for Hayward they'd be sitting at $40M with their current guaranteed. Add to that another $13M for Kanter the next year and you still don't have more since they don't have 7.5% raises in their contracts. They will give Hayward frontloaded as well. So will get Kanter probably. Then they can either choose to add a full MLE player to establish a hardcap or use biannual exceptions and MMLE to not lock themselves up too much(Most MLE signings in the last years have been bad contracts anyways and teams start using the MMLE more and more)
3rd: Suggesting seriously to take Gobert into the S5 without a full season is totally off. He's super raw and you won't see his weaknesses until he plays stretches vs starters and those actually consider him a threat and watch video on him. Your suggested frontcourt has 0 scoring and everyone knows that lowpost scoring is one of the best ways to win playoff games. So you lowball Kanter for a ****ing #7 pick after his 3rd season that might be a good one as well?
The draft: RIght now Exum is a lock to go #4 according to many scouts/GMs if only one of them talks the truth. Rightfully so. He's got a unique skillset that will translate strongly to the NBA and when he established a star status you can basically plan an extra 30 min for his team's games because he'll average ****ing 10+ FT/game.
Exum has 2 chances to showcase himself again: EIther he signs the Australian league after he graduates from his school in November which has a salary hardcap/budget and can only offer him a min contract that's sth like $8k/month and young rooks vs veterans often doesn't look favorable for the rook. So he could even hurt his draft status by doing it.
And the Nike Hoop Summit. This year he's a year older than the incoming 2014 high school class which is additionally weaker than this year's. I doubt he'll do anything but dominate for the international squad as a primary ballhandler.
Center: Embiid somehow is the guy that's shown most upside/development during the summer. People say he can attack the top5 and right now he seems like a #5.

For the question: Who to cut?
1) Jeremy Evans will probably expire, end up being a trade filler to make salaries match or get a min end of bench contract if he actually can show that he can be a backup for a limited amount of time.
2) Alec Burks has been nothing but disappointing. Maybe he can be a solid bench player down the stretch but until he getts there he's simply not included in long term plans. He'll also be only tradeable right now if we took back long term salary in addition to a pick.

For the rest: Gobert is a project. Low risk high possible return. Since the expectation is 0... He might develop into a solid bench big or even better. But that's unlikely and I won't even touch that discussion again in the next 2 or 3 years. We got him under contract for 4 and then we'll deal with it or include him in a trade.
Burke's possible extension. Burke's touches will not be a lot following next year: Add someone like Parker or whoever joins and you have Kanter > high upside rook(Parker) > Hayward > Burke/Favors depending on how Favors develops. He's on a rookie scale and if he doesn't make super high efficiency with his limited touches how does he get anything bigger then $6M a year? His defense won't earn him money and getting 10 assists when you have very limited offense and average court vision isn't that easy. Having a low post and wing iso champ can actually prove to be better than letting Burke getting countered in the PnR and not creating easy dunks and catch and shoot 3s. But maybe he can. Then he's getting paid accordingly or slightly overpaid.

Finishing off I wanna say sorry for my bad choice of words. Should have chosen better ones to show that I disagree.
 
I wanna add that I think the likelihood of a Kanter's trade is way lower than the chance of a Hayward trade ;)
If I look at teams who would want Kanter: He's a young talent and the Jazz are a team currently rebuilding through the draft and young talent. Who wants Kanter? The other teams that want young talents and maybe already have some in place. But they don't want to give up talent in return. Productive young players rarely switch their team before they are on their first extension.
Holiday(23 years old, 1 allstar game, very team favorable contract) got traded for a #6 and pick most likely in the teens. Seeing Kanter raising his value on Holiday level in just 1 season when he tries to figure out how to score against the real nba star(ter)s? Very unlikely if you ask me.

Adding on Monroe: I kept at the back of my mind that his "entourage" or agent was quoted as an inofficial source that he demands max. Like Cousins he hasn't shown max yet and Pistons have the right to match any deal and negotiate themselves next summer. For Monroe to be max (my personal opinion) he has to show he is the 1st option and leads the Pistons to a winning record and a 20+ PER. Apparently he's very confident in his body of work from this summer that he's not even in ongoing talks. It's a smart decision from both sides maybe. Pistons will sign him for close to max if none else's signing him for 4 yr max with 4.5% raises. Monroe is not yet the kind of franchise talent that he could really feel entitled to take exception with how the Pistons deal with it. Even if he did he has 4 more years to calm down until he can leave his ballclub.

Somehow I can't find the article where Monroe's people are quoted.
 
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[size/HUGE] fixed [/size];684280 said:
It's rested twice.
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LoL... all the sexing and sleeping around is getting too tiring? I know bro.. it's nothing more than chasing after the wind isn't it?

You'll soon learn...
 
OK who would you all trade Alec burks straight up for in this draft? assuming that he scores 12 ppg shoots 45% from the field and 33% from 3 but gets to the line alot. (also who the other team might consider)
 
Jako said:
OK who would you all trade Alec burks straight up for in this draft? assuming that he scores 12 ppg shoots 45% from the field and 33% from 3 but gets to the line alot. (also who the other team might consider)
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He just doesn't have the mental capacity to thrive in this league.. I'd trade him for a late first.
 
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