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dalamon said:
Where was Kanter at Vonleh's age? Does Vonleh have potential to improve?
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PKM has been pretty spot on when predicting the stats of top recruits, and he once said that Kanter would have averaged 18/15 had the NCAA let him play. Maybe the rebounding numbers are bit of a hyperbole, but I think Kanter at 18 would have been really dominant in college, even as a freshman. Vonleh...wasn't.

Bottom line, if Kanter and Vonleh had been in the same draft, there's NO WAY I would take Vonleh, if given the choice. But that's me.
 
dalamon said:
so we all agree that Randle > Vonleh offensively? Is this true to college, and will that transfer? Also, is Vonleh's main knock that he wasn't able to take over games a la Randle?
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My concerns with Vonleh:

-Lack of fire and assertiveness.
-Not terribly explosive.
-He has a base to build off of in the post, with his handles, and his jumper...but he's not yet advanced in any one of these categories.
-Feel for the game (he ranks DEAD LAST in the entire draft class in both assist to turnover ratio and assists per possession rate). And if you watch his scouting report, he just looks plain lost sometimes.
 
spycam1 said:
My concerns with Vonleh:

-Lack of fire and assertiveness.
-Not terribly explosive.
-He has a base to build off of in the post, with his handles, and his jumper...but he's not yet advanced in any one of these categories.
-Feel for the game (he ranks DEAD LAST in the entire draft class in both assist to turnover ratio and assists per possession rate). And if you watch his scouting report, he just looks plain lost sometimes.
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I would need to see what he looks like in workouts. Randle and Vonleh are very close for me. Vonleh may be more explosive than we think, but clearly he's not as quick and brutish as Randle. He also seems like he could be the most redundant with what we already have in Favors and Kanter.
 
I'm having a hard time getting sold on Aaron Gordon. He's got a lot of development to do, and other than his size and athleticism, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of talent offensively. He defends almost like Dennis Rodman though.
 
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spycam1 said:
Yeah.

I can understand the argument for Vonleh, I suppose. But Randle, despite his weaknesses, has #Fire.
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Vonleh doesn't look like a 'fast-twitch' athlete to me. He's more a smooth and steady guy. Physically he reminds me a bit of Rashard Lewis, but he has more inside game. Vonleh's handle doesn't look that tight. I don't think he'll take more than a few dribbles on offense.
 
How can a guy that plays ball everyday not make half his free-throws? It's one thing if you're 7-feet tall and the ball feels like holding a canteloupe, but otherwise...
 
Catchall said:
I'm having a hard time getting sold on Aaron Gordon. He's got a lot of development to do, and other than his size and athleticism, I'm just not seeing a whole lot of talent. He looks like a somewhat rich man's Aminu to me. I might put Smart ahead of him on my board.
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After the top 4, the water is really muddy. I think there's good talent in the 5-9 range, but ranking them in any kind of order is tough, tbh.
 
The thing with Gordon is that I feel pretty confident saying that he'll never be a 1st or 2nd option on offense. He'll be an elite defender, but I have a hard time seeing him becoming more than a 3rd option in half court sets.

I still like him, though. And maybe he proves me wrong?
 
Gordon's shooting is awful, not just off, but awful. It looks like he has to learn to shoot from square one. There's just no touch or natural feel.

I think Randle and Vonleh are clearly ahead of Gordon, unless you're bent on drafting a defensive specialist. Randle, in particular, is starting to get underrated at this point.
 
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