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Just had an interesting thought...

What are the chances Parker is the next Evan Turner. There are some simularities. Both highly sought after as prospects, and neither very athletic and slow of foot. Both versatile offensive players in college which made them very popular as high draft picks

I do realize Parker is a better shooter though.

Thoughts.


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Thee jazz fan said:
Just had an interesting thought...

What are the chances Parker is the next Evan Turner. There are some simularities. Both highly sought after as prospects, and neither very athletic and slow of foot. Both versatile offensive players in college which made them very popular as high draft picks

I do realize Parker is a better shooter though.

Thoughts.


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Actually Evan Turner was a better shooter (51% FGs, 36% 3pt - to Parker's 47% and 35%) and he was a true all-around player in the sense that he averaged 20, 9 and 6, where Parker scored and rebounded, but averaged just 1 assist per game (to 2 turnovers).

Having said that, Turner was a junior when he was drafted and Parker is bigger and just a frosh.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Actually Evan Turner was a better shooter (51% FGs, 36% 3pt - to Parker's 47% and 35%) and he was a true all-around player in the sense that he averaged 20, 9 and 6, where Parker scored and rebounded, but averaged just 1 assist per game (to 2 turnovers).

Having said that, Turner was a junior when he was drafted and Parker is bigger.
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Turner was nowhere near the 3 point shooter that Parker is. He only shot 1% better but attempted half as many.
 
spycam1 said:
Turner was nowhere near the 3 point shooter that Parker is. He only shot 1% better but attempted half as many.
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Either way, he shot a better percentage. Also, keep in mind, after the first 7 games of the season, when Duke started to play real teams regularly, Parker shot just 28% from three. One of the biggest misconceptions about players in the draft is that Parker is a good 3pt shooter. He might become one someday, but over the bulk of the season and during conference play, he was not.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Either way, he shot a better percentage. Also, keep in mind, after the first 7 games of the season, when Duke started to play real teams regularly, Parker shot just 28% from three. One of the biggest misconceptions about players in the draft is that Parker is a good 3pt shooter. He might become one, but over the bulk of the season and during conference play, he was not.
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Gordon also shot 35% from 3, but sorry, he's not half the shooter Parker is. There's way more you have to account for than just the %. How many they attempted is huge, IMO. And those stats don't show how many of those shots were taken off the dribble vs spot up. For instance, Gordon can't shoot off the dribble to save his life. All of his 3's are catch and shoot. Parker took 3's off the dribble very often.
 
spycam1 said:
Gordon also shot 35% from 3, but sorry, he's not half the shooter Parker is. There's way more you have to account for than just the %. How many they attempted is huge, IMO. And those stats don't show how many of those shots were taken off the dribble vs spot up. For instance, Gordon can't shoot off the dribble to save his life. All of his 3's are catch and shoot. Parker took 3's off the dribble very often.
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You're just making excuses at this point. After feasting on the likes of UNC Asheville, Florida Atlantic, Vermont and East Carolina, when Duke started playing decent teams, Parker shot 28% from three in the last 28 games of the season. That's bad not matter how you slice it. In the last 28 games of the season, Parker shot over 50% from three, two times. 2 of 28 games! To try to say he's a good 3pt shooter is to ignore what actually happened in the games this past season.
 
In regard to Parker, I watched every Duke game that was on TV this past season. At the beginning of the season, Parker was lights out from three and I was blown away. Here's a 6'8" frosh who can get up and down, who is not a great athlete, but a good athlete, can get his jump shot off at will and is mind-blowingly accurate. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The problem is, I kept watching the games. I kept watching and Parker kept missing from the outside. After a while, a sample size 20-25 games against good competition starts to outweigh what I'd seen early in the year against mostly bad teams (he also shot well against Kansas in the 2nd or 3rd game of the season). Again, he might become a great shooter, but he will need to improve a ton.
 
I think your assessment is pretty fair, I was mainly just saying that you can't say Player A is a better 3 point shooter than Player B because he shot 1% better. There's a lot more to it than that.
 
spycam1 said:
I think your assessment is pretty fair, I was mainly just saying that you can't say Player A is a better 3 point shooter than Player B because he shot 1% better. There's a lot more to it than that.
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I agree, but part of my argument to point out Jabari isn't necessarily a better shooter was also the overall FG%. Turner's 51% to Parker's 47%. Overall FG% doesn't necessarily mean everything either as one guy might be better in the paint, etc. We don't have the answers as to who shot more at the rim, who shot more jumpshots, etc, so all we have are those numbers. There really isn't much argument at this point that Parker was a better shooter coming out of college than Turner. Ultimately, like I said above, the Thee Jazz Fan's Turner comparison probably isn't totally fair because he was a junior and Parker was a freshman.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv92HJOmhM

ya gotta love the way Warren shoots these floaters, hes legitimately amazing at that those shots. itd be great to see that in the Jazz offense
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Either way, he shot a better percentage. Also, keep in mind, after the first 7 games of the season, when Duke started to play real teams regularly, Parker shot just 28% from three. One of the biggest misconceptions about players in the draft is that Parker is a good 3pt shooter. He might become one someday, but over the bulk of the season and during conference play, he was not.
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I think Parker has a great release. What his long range bomb lacks is arc. Most great shooters have an extra 5-10° of elevation on their jumper.
But I guess development coaches have seen that as well. Better arc helps you especially late in the game when you start getting tired and your accuracy starts to go down. Makes the rim more friendly in terms of margin of error.

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbv92HJOmhM

ya gotta love the way Warren shoots these floaters, hes legitimately amazing at that those shots. itd be great to see that in the Jazz offense
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I like TJ Warren, pimped him a fair amount last fall. Just sceptical when it comes to his 1v1 defense. If you take both Warren and Parker/Exum your two best defender are Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward. I don't know if you want that.

I also think if the Jazz grab Embiid/Wiggins/Vonleh/Gordon they'll be a couple in the top10 in next year's draft as well. And next year there are more 3rd tier wings on the table or you go for a 2nd tier big at around 8.
 
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