Following potential 2017 draftees...

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Jazz won't go into detail, but they'll convince the agent there's a legit chance they will be picking in Mitchell's range. Otherwise, the agent won't send him.

So all you have to do to an agent to get a workout is be like "Oh yeah, we can definitely trade up for him, just trust us"?

No. That doesnt matter. The main thing that matters is Mitchell and his agent/camp believe the Jazz are a good fit and they are happy with that outcome if it happens. Any GM could spin a web of BS that they can trade up if that's all they had to do to get a workout.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Couple things ---

** The Jazz are not motivated to 'dump' Favors. They're motivated to see if he can return healthy next season and boost his trade value. A team that wants his Bird rights will trade for him at the deadline next season. At the same time, having a productive Favors on the team helps the Jazz's pitch to Hayward. If the Jazz get a compelling offer for Favors, that's one thing, but the Jazz definitely won't dump him.

** The Jazz really would like to add a Stretch 5 to the team, but John Leuer does not seem like an attractive option.

You might be right but I don't see his value increasing much with only half a season left on his deal. Maybe to a team that can still work a renegotiable and extend...

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There's always plausible deniability. The Jazz can always tell the agent - we might be willing to move up if they ask why they want to see him when he's projected much higher than our picks. They might be thinking about trading up and having some plans about it and it might still not happen.

True. The Jazz don't have to commit to trading up, obviously. They just need to convince the agent that there's a real possibility and that it's worth everyone's time and worth the risk of injury to the player for the player to do the workout.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

So all you have to do to an agent to get a workout is be like "Oh yeah, we can definitely trade up for him, just trust us"?

No. That doesnt matter. The main thing that matters is Mitchell and his agent/camp believe the Jazz are a good fit and they are happy with that outcome if it happens. Any GM could spin a web of BS that they can trade up if that's all they had to do to get a workout.

When was the last time the Jazz got a player in for a workout who was projected 10+ spots above where Jazz were drafting?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When was the last time the Jazz got a player in for a workout who was projected 10+ spots above where Jazz were drafting?

Well the Jazz have been picking in the top 14 the past what, 6 years, so I have no idea. I dont expect us to get the #1 pick in for a workout. When was the last time the Jazz had picks exclusively in the 20's under this regime? Never.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

If jazz did make a promise they wouldn't have told him with what pick. come on now..common sense catchall.lol


QUOTE=Catchall;1424386]I'm starting to think the Jazz have a trade-up opportunity on the table involving Boris Diaw's contract and the #24 pick. Could be with Charlotte or Detroit. It explains why the Jazz are getting Mitchell to work out with them and why they interviewed Zach Collins at the Combine.

Detroit in particular wants to clean house and needs cap relief.

If the Jazz really did make a promise to DJ Wilson, it would be with the 30th pick, not 24.[/QUOTE]

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Lmao. Giving up a first round pick in a very deep class for Job Leurs.lmao... Stronghold accept happily. wouldn't even have to give up Trey Lyles. I normally see trades where the Jazz fans over value their players but this one where you are under valuing your pick and over valuing the follow players




QUOTE=Crocodile Dante;1424406]let me ask (i am not saying i like it one way or the other)

Jazz trade #24 Lyles and Diaw to Detroit for Jon Leuers 3 years $30 million and #12?

Leuer only shot 29% from 3 last year (38%, 24% and 47% the past 4 years)

Is it worth it to move up to take on that awful contract and I figure lyles would be in the mix instead of the 30th pick and Leuer and Lyles is very redundent. If i was Detroit in order for me to trade the 12th pick i would want #30 also

would you like it?[/QUOTE]

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Well the Jazz have been picking in the top 14 the past what, 6 years, so I have no idea. I dont expect us to get the #1 pick in for a workout. When was the last time the Jazz had picks exclusively in the 20's under this regime? Never.

In 2016, when the Jazz had the 12th pick, the highest rated player the Jazz got to work out for them was Poeltl, whose range was 8 - 12.

In 2015, the Jazz had the 12th pick, and the highest rated players the Jazz got in for a workout were Turner, Lyles and Oubre. Turner's range was considered 9 - 13.

Both these years, the Jazz worked out 100 guys. It's not that they weren't willing to workout the higher rated players, it's that the agents won't send a player to work out with teams below their draft range.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

In 2016, when the Jazz had the 12th pick, the highest rated player the Jazz got to work out for them was Poeltl, whose range was 8 - 12.

In 2015, the Jazz had the 12th pick, and the highest rated players the Jazz got in for a workout were Turner, Lyles and Oubre. Turner's range was considered 9 - 13.

Both these years, the Jazz worked out 100 guys. It's not that they weren't willing to workout the higher rated players, it's that the agents won't send a player to work out with teams below their draft range.

There's a difference between getting the top tier guys in a draft, the guys who are going to go top 5 to workout for you when you draft at 12 than getting a guy 10 spots up at 24. Silly to equate them as equal situations.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

If jazz did make a promise they wouldn't have told him with what pick. come on now..common sense catchall.lol


QUOTE=Catchall;1424386]I'm starting to think the Jazz have a trade-up opportunity on the table involving Boris Diaw's contract and the #24 pick. Could be with Charlotte or Detroit. It explains why the Jazz are getting Mitchell to work out with them and why they interviewed Zach Collins at the Combine.

Detroit in particular wants to clean house and needs cap relief.

If the Jazz really did make a promise to DJ Wilson, it would be with the 30th pick, not 24.

[/QUOTE]

If the Jazz really made a promise to Wilson, they most likely said they'd take him in the first round. Everyone knows which picks the Jazz have. You can interpret that to mean by pick 30.

It makes little to no sense for the Jazz to promise DJ Wilson with the 24th pick, when the general consensus suggests he'll be available in the 26 - 30 range. But that's just speculation.

The Jazz can promise Wilson in the first round and still trade their 24th pick.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

There's a difference between getting the top tier guys in a draft, the guys who are going to go top 5 to workout for you when you draft at 12 than getting a guy 10 spots up at 24. Silly to equate them as equal situations.

When Mitchell works out for the Raptors, Nets and Thunder who are slated to pick 21 - 23, you can call me on it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

When Mitchell works out for the Raptors, Nets and Thunder who are slated to pick 21 - 23, you can call me on it.

Why? Maybe Mitchell's agent doesnt like those fits.