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Following Potential 2018 Draftees

Saint Cy of JFC said:
Didnt realize, but Isaiah Roby has declared for the draft, but didnt hire an agent or get invited to the combine (how?). He would be the 7th forward on by board ahead of Knox.
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You think if you make a guy like that a promise to take him late in the second he keeps his name in? Tell him/his agent to look at our track record of development.
 
Revolution 9 said:
we've been saying this ever since ive been at jazzfanz....
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The problem is that in the playoffs, by the 2nd or 3rd game, teams know each other really well, and they can take away a team's first, second and even third options on offense. A team's offense gets slowed way down and can grind to a halt. The paint gets crowded. It's just tremendously helpful if your team has a guy with enough size and mobility to just raise up and knock down a mid-range shot without much if any help from the offensive sets. Even if mid-range isn't the most efficient shot to take, being able to get an open 18-foot look and knock it down is a critical option to have, because those are the shots defenses are most willing to give up. Remember, Favors basically won a game over OKC with a late 18-foot J. Mitchell can obviously be that guy if he's confident from mid-range and he isn't burdened by trying to run the offense, but we also use him to break down defenses. Plus, he's not a guy who is just going to shoot over a typical wing-sized defender.

The Jazz were getting stops yesterday. Houston wasn't shooting very well and the Jazz were team rebounding, but they couldn't convert looks on the other end. They struggled at the rim, they struggled from 3, and they had nothing in between. Neto, Exum, Crowder, O'Neale... no one could step in and hit an 18-20 footer. It's a glaring hole in our offense.
 
Catchall said:
The problem is that in the playoffs, by the 2nd or 3rd game, teams know each other really well, and they can take away a team's first, second and even third options on offense. A team's offense gets slowed way down and can grind to a halt. The paint gets crowded. It's just tremendously helpful if your team has a guy with enough size and mobility to just raise up and knock down a mid-range shot without much if any help from the offensive sets.
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So Rodney Hood then?
 
mellow said:
So Rodney Hood then?
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If he were more consistent and resilient, then yes. But he's not, so no. He was a guy who (when healthy) could take a dribble or two and raise up over some defenders to shoot from mid-range. He just never became a consistent enough shooter. He's fallen off even worse with Cleveland. Joe Johnson from 5 years ago maybe.

The taller and longer they are, the more they can just shoot over the top of the defense. Not to overstate the obvious, but KD and prime Dirk have been unstoppable due to their size. They can take a mid-range look just about anytime they want. Size matters. Karl Malone's fade-away jumpers were pretty unguardable too.
 
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Actually, if the Jazz had this version of Derrick Favors yesterday, it would have made a huge difference. I just wish Favs had more shooting touch.

 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Favors developing a legitimate 3pt shot is something I cant believe in. The guy has an inconsistent release.
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He’s not a good FT shooter and people act like he’s just now started working on it... I think I remember him mentioning it two years ago.

I think his ceiling is that can be a 35% wide *** open 3 shooter from the corner. I don’t see a lot of value in that... if he is away from the basket he gets no offensive rebounds.

I love Favs but he kinda is what he is.
 
So in a perfect world, we'd have a 6'9" or 6'10" athletic stud who plays solid defense, rebounds, has enough IQ to move the ball in Quin's sets, and shoots from 3 levels better than Favors (although Favors is good at converting at the rim).
 
Catchall said:
So in a perfect world, we'd have a 6'9" or 6'10" athletic stud who plays solid defense, rebounds, has enough IQ to move the ball in Quin's sets, and shoots from 3 levels better than Favors (although Favors is good at converting at the rim).
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You forgot passing :)


Yeah it’s a tall order but put Khris Middleton on this team in Favors place and we are right there with the contenders imo.
 
I want Collin Sexton running the second unit.

Probably my imagination, but it seems so hard to draft a stretch 4 these days. Such a crap shoot. And even less likely to contribute quickly. I’d rather just find one who we already know is good.

IF we’re giving up Favors, and I’m definitely not set on that. Then just get Tobias Harris, Aaron Gordon, etc. don’t try to draft his replacement. We can’t wait around and cross our fingers. Favors was better than Gobert in the playoffs. We’d be much worse just replacing him with a rookie, even if we found a way to get into the top 15 or so.
 
Read exactly one scouting report. But that Simons guy does seem like a dude our staff could do good things with. That upside that late in the draft is rare.

And he might actually be available at our pick. Unlike Sexton.
 
The Jazz need a few more players who can create their own shot when things break down in the playoffs. I like the Simmons kid a lot. I heard DM raving about him so I will take his word he is good.

I don't know if Rozier from Boston is a free agent, but he has really impressed me in the playoffs. He has upped his scoring, defense is great and seems to be around the ball all the time. Another Louisville guy so maybe DM can recruit him. He wouldn't mind being a back up since that is what he is with Boston but he has shown he can player starter minutes. THis is exactly what the Jazz need. Sorry but Raul Neto is a nice kid but he is a 3rd stringer on a championship team.

Jazz need to make a decision on Dante. I think a back court of Rozier and Dante would be awesome. If Rozier isn't available then draft Simmons. They can share the PG duties on the second team.

I love Joe INgles but the Jazz need to upgrade this position with Joe being our sixth man. He can be our PF when we go small.Crowder can also play this role if the Jazz can't find a replacement for JOe. I would look seriously hard at the draft for this position. I would use all assets to move up and grab a guy who the Jazz feel can be a starting SF in the league. Who that guy is? I will let all the draft experts figure it out.

I doubt that Derrick Favors will be back so this is another position that the Jazz need to upgrade big time. T. Harris is a guy who could do so. Don't know what he would cost but I think he would fit nicely with our system. Crowder could get minutes as his backup.

Rudy is our center. He has to continue to improve. Bradley should be his backup.

Backups should be Oneile and Thabo. They would get situational minutes and play depending on match ups and injuries.
 
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