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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

stitches said:
I still think it's better than average, not just better than last year's draft(which is pretty low bar). I like the 3-8 better than most year's 3-8 too... I have to go through some more players to be able to pass judgement on the rest of the lottery.
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Cool, it's obviously subjective.

In my opinion there are good players in the lottery, but I think the guys we are looking at in the 3-5 range would be in the 6-10 range in a normal draft, and then everything else would be shifted down. For example Fears is getting talked about in the 5-8 range, where in a normal draft he would be late lotto.

There are also just a lot of players in this draft that were very productive, but have questionable NBA fit. So maybe they get in the right situation and this draft looks great in 5 years, or maybe they just don't work in the NBA.
 
This draft is not very good in the 3-5 range and is pretty good in the 12-25 range.

Tre is the clear #3 and he has massive concerns with his athleticism, toughness/physicality, and defense.

YoungJefe said:
What would it cost to move from 5 to 3?
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21, Filipowski, and absorbing the contracts of Oubre and Drummond.
 
idiot said:
Sam & Bryce on Game Theory Podcast talking about how unplayable Mathurin has been recently because of slow processing, avoidable mistakes, etc. Though they didn't use the term, I think they're talking about how he's not a 16-game player, even though he's done OK on the 82 games (and has a lot of undeniable talent).

How heavy should we think about this in the way we draft? Is it possible to predict (semi-) accurately who's going to be the ones that make too many mistakes to be trusted in the playoffs?

(Discussion starts about 19:30 mark)
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Everyone in this class is reasonably smart to very smart (Flagg, Harper, CMB, and VJ are very very smart) in the lottery with the exception of Ace Bailey and maybe Noa (haven't watched Noa play yet).

There's a couple guys outside the lottery that have questions, of course. Drake Powell and Cedric Coward are guys the Jazz could draft at 21 that have questions about their on-court feel for the game.
 
stitches said:
I think I would take about 7 players in this draft before I would have taken anyone from last year's draft. I liked Castle best last year... I think I probably take Flagg, Harper, Johnson, VJ, Ace, Kon, Fears ...(and still haven't watched Queen and Jakucionis) before Castle
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I believe you will like Jakucionis. Not sure how you feel about Queen. He is kinda polarizing opinions.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Cool, it's obviously subjective.

In my opinion there are good players in the lottery, but I think the guys we are looking at in the 3-5 range would be in the 6-10 range in a normal draft, and then everything else would be shifted down. For example Fears is getting talked about in the 5-8 range, where in a normal draft he would be late lotto.

There are also just a lot of players in this draft that were very productive, but have questionable NBA fit. So maybe they get in the right situation and this draft looks great in 5 years, or maybe they just don't work in the NBA.
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Just listing 5th picks.
  • 2023 Ausar Thompson
  • 2022 Jaden Ivey
  • 2021 Jalen Suggs
  • 2020 Isaac Okoro
  • 2019 Darius Garland
  • 2018 Trae Young
  • 2017 De'Aaron Fox
All of those were pretty flawed prospects. Half couldnt shoot and other half were undersized (some severely). Ivey may have been the best prospect of those on paper but he was pretty similar to VJ except better scoring & burst and lower BBIQ.

I think its rather rare to have 5 guys who have good to great size, good to great athleticism and good to great projected shooting in the same year. Usually at 5 we are making more compromises on those 3 areas.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
You are comparing against a bad draft, Vecine is comparing against an average draft.

I think this draft is very good at 1, normal for 2, weaker than the average draft in the 3-14 range and then, good again in the 15-25 range.
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I guess it depends who you have in the 3-5 range. I think this is a very strong draft the top. Honestly, from about 9-25 or so there isn’t a ton of drop off. So I agree with you it’s average around the 9-14 range then good in the 15-25 range.
 
How much should roster construction fit be considered with this pick? For example I would love if the Jazz drafted Tre Johnson. But would VJ Edgecombe be a better roster fit if you still believe in the Jazz's last two lottery picks? Imagine having VJ and Hendricks out on the perimeter defensively with Kessler backing them up? I know Cody Williams was very bad last year no argument here, but what if he comes into camp more muscular, better body, improves on shooting and handle?

If the Jazz do trade Lauri which I believe they should, and Cody and Taylor both come back improved now you have the makings of a potentially very good defensive lineup if you add VJ Edgecombe.

One thing the Jazz have shown with their top lottery picks is they like length, athleticism, and potential two way ability. Prior to playing in the NBA both Taylor Hendricks and Cody Williams were thought to have that potential. Now it may never materialize for one or both of them but if your still a believer in both then adding a guy like VJ is quite tempting. Regardless I think the Jazz are in a fine spot and will get a very good player no matter if it's Tre, VJ or Ace. The team is signaling they are going to tank again next year so let's just continue to add talent and build this roster up. I'm just wondering with the pieces we currently have, who would be the best fit. They are all extremely talented players
 
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