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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Bodhi said:
Sincere thought, but I’ve seen your draft thoughts for prob a decade or so. And in that time you have almost always sold people on what you see, not what someone could infer COULD happen. Like, CMB could develop a reliable outside shot, but the info we have now is that he doesn’t have it.

So your thoughts on Tre are a bit strange to me this year. He loses dudes on defense like Brice did and why i disliked him that entire draft process. Tre has the tools but if he seems disinterested on defense and looses focus, concentration and his man (my words), why do you think he will turn into a plus defender against better athletes and more space?

All sincere questions.
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Well at 5 I think Johnson has the best chance of being an all-star. He has all the tools to be a great player and he has shown an elite ability to shoot. If he didn't pan out how we hope, he's still probably a great shooter.

I don't think he will be a plus defender. I just don't think he will be a terrible one.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Well at 5 I think Johnson has the best chance of being an all-star. He has all the tools to be a great player and he has shown an elite ability to shoot. If he didn't pan out how we hope, he's still probably a great shooter.

I don't think he will be a plus defender. I just don't think he will be a terrible one.
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It’s funny because I agree with a lot of this.

Watching DM again tonight honestly made me think of Tre. I think he can totally be an All-Star and put up huge numbers, but I see them coming very much in the same way as DM with the same flaws and not leading to ultimate high level winning basketball.

So maybe my expectations are unrealistic, but I hate the DM archetype, and I see a lot of that in Tre.
 
Bodhi said:
It’s funny because I agree with a lot of this.

Watching DM again tonight honestly made me think of Tre. I think he can totally be an All-Star and put up huge numbers, but I see them coming very much in the same way as DM with the same flaws and not leading to ultimate high level winning basketball.

So maybe my expectations are unrealistic, but I hate the DM archetype, and I see a lot of that in Tre.
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"Making players around you better" as a skill at its full display in this series. Cavs have better players around Donovan compared to the ones Pacers have around Haliburron. But Pacers role players outplaying the Cavs is what won them the series. Switch up Donovan/Hali and I think we will see a much different result with Mobley/Allen/Hunter/Garland delivering much better performances.
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
The sheer belief you have in Lauri's current trade market is odd. The Kings refused to trade a very mediocre prospect in Keegan Murray for Lauri last offseason and instead offered four firsts. Since the Jazz turned down that offer, Lauri has signed a max contract and had a really bad season.

He clearly has less value than Pascal Siakam had when Siakam was traded to Indiana as Siakam

1. Was just as good as Lauri
2. Had less injury history than Lauri
3. Had a proven record as a winner (he's a champion with lots of playoff experience, Lauri has never made the postseason)

Here's what Siakam got

Two likely bad but lightly protected firsts (2024 and 2026 from Indiana)
One very bad first (the late first that Toronto then traded to Utah for Olynyk and Agbaji)
Bruce Brown's contract

This is basically the ceiling of what we should expect if we trade Lauri and it's likely to be less than this.
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Blah blah blah. Do you just type the word garbage into ChatGPT and this is what comes out? You are on a world class streak today.
 
So it's looking like Ben Saraf and Noa Essengue aren't at the Combine. They must still be playing in Europe. Looks like Noah Penda is missing as well.
 
After thinking it through, I'm pretty convinced Philly is taking Edgecombe if they don't trade the pick. He rates too highly by all stat models and is way more ready to go right now than Ace or Tre or the other guys.

kcgar said:
Blah blah blah. Do you just type the word garbage into ChatGPT and this is what comes out? You are on a world class streak today.
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Why should Lauri get as much as Pascal Siakam got?

Make an argument as to why Lauri should match the Siakam return (2 so-so firsts and one bad first) let alone surpass it.
 
Revisiting Noa Essengue. For me, he makes the considered list at #5 if Tre Johnson is gone. His size, ability to run the floor, get downhill, finish at the rim, and make defensive plays all compare well vs. Ace Bailey. Questions are Noa's shooting and rebounding consistency, but he seems to be developing pretty well overall and has further physical development ahead of him. I was thinking he'd be impressing at the Combine if he measured and shot the ball well, but he's still playing in Europe.

He should be a 4/3 in the NBA and can be slotted next to Cam Boozer or Chris Cenac next year, when we draft top 5 again.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXsKQ8Owlc
 
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:
Revisiting Noa Essengue. For me, he makes the considered list at #5 if Tre Johnson is gone. His ability to run the floor, get downhill, finish at the rim, and make defensive plays all compare well vs. Ace Bailey. Questions are Noa's shooting and rebounding consistency, but he seems to be developing pretty well overall and has further physical development ahead of him. I was thinking he'd be impressing at the Combine if he measured and shot the ball well, but he's still playing in Europe.

He should be a 4/3 in the NBA and can be slotted next to Cam Boozer or Chris Cenac next year, when we draft top 5 again.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fXsKQ8Owlc
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I'm glad you brought this guy up. I haven't been able to dive into him too deeply but what I have seen from him has been impressive. He has also been playing well for his team according to the box score (don't have access to the games)
The initial impression is that I like him more than Ace.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:

View: https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1922322795775594635
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Ferguson_Mellochill said:

View: https://x.com/libaanstar1/status/1922326246416891962
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I feel extremely blessed that one of Tre, VJ, or Ace will simply fall in our lap. This is the big picture, and why we tanked for worst record. Gsetting the first pick or second would’ve been gravy. By the way I like VJ and Tre better than Ace, and I’ve gone back and fourth on who I like more between VJ and Tre.
 
Basketball Novice said:
I'm glad you brought this guy up. I haven't been able to dive into him too deeply but what I have seen from him has been impressive. He has also been playing well for his team according to the box score (don't have access to the games)
The initial impression is that I like him more than Ace.
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Ace is a better shooter than Noa. However, I think if Ace and Noa played one-on-one, Noa would likely win. Noa is taller and moves more fluidly. His defensive instincts and reactions appear better. Noa actually measured at 6'9" and had a 9'3" standing reach as a 17 y.o.

They played in different leagues this year, obviously, but their Per 36 numbers are similar: 19 pts, 8 rebs. If I were the Jazz, I'd love to see them work out against each other.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9a1dep8pcM
 
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