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Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's not tongue in cheek at all. Collier has one of the most erratic miss charts of any player I've seen.
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Reading through the comparisons offered by other posters, the difference between the two appears more marginal than immeasurable. (The play on words would have been that the two were so similar that the differences aren't really that material, thus "immeasurable.")

You seem to adhere to a rather elastic definition of "immeasurable."
 
Elizah Huge said:
Very interested to see what Rafael Barlowe says about the Jazz at 5 in the coming weeks.

He has correctly predicted Keyonte at 16 and Cody at 10 two years in a row.

When I talked to him at Summer League I asked how he knew the Jazz wanted Keyonte before everyone else. He said he had an in with Keyonte’s people.
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Cody Williams was very obvious. Basically as soon as you heard him speak, it was a slam dunk that was he was going to be picked by the Jazz at 10. Here's me on Reddit immediately after the combine.


View: https://www.reddit.com/r/UtahJazz/comments/1cuf7k1/think_that_cody_williams_is_currently_in_the_lead/


The issue is how much the Jazz's draft process has changed since picking Cody. "Extremely intelligent off the court but doesn't show it on the court yet" immediately suggests Coward as a guy they love, but who knows if they're going with a very different philosophy after Cody was bad and Keyonte was ehh.
 
Schrödinger's Gerbil said:
Reading through the comparisons offered by other posters, the difference between the two appears more marginal than immeasurable. (The play on words would have been that the two were so similar that the differences aren't really that material, thus "immeasurable.")

You seem to adhere to a rather elastic definition of "immeasurable."
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Yes, because you cant measure miss charts (unless you have a ridiculous amount of time on your hands) to truly evaluate where a player misses his shots on the rim. The form and consistency Fears has over Collier on his shooting form is immeasurably better.
 
Collier's touch is really bad whereas Fears has very good touch, his jumpshot form just sucks.

(This was the same case with Cody last year and has had terrible returns with Cody. But Fears does have better touch than Cody does)
 
I've posted this before, but found it again and think it's still relevant.

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NBA Draft: Prediction of NBA Three-Point Shooting using College Shooting Data

In the NBA draft world, the debate about using college stats as NBA predictors is hotly contested and ever-present in prospect discourse.
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- Debunks the myth that college FT% is a better indicator of NBA 3pt% than college 3pt%
- A model that combines 3pt%, FT% and 3PA, similar to what I believe Tankathon is using, is the best prediction tool.
- The model still has inherent errors in the fact that it can't differentiate between the types of shots taken (self generated vs assisted vs guarded, etc.)
 
HadAnEffectHere said:
Collier's touch is really bad whereas Fears has very good touch, his jumpshot form just sucks.

(This was the same case with Cody last year and has had terrible returns with Cody. But Fears does have better touch than Cody does)
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Fears has good form. He just doesnt have great shot-base consistency because he takes a wide variety of 3pt shots when he should be taking better shots, but that's the life of an 18 year old who has to be the best player on a mediocre team.
 
KqWIN said:
Locke drops a skims add and directly goes in to talking about how thicc Kon is downstairs.

"I don't know if this is good or bad"
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I died. Literally said he's "thick downstairs" and I was like "pause".

He then compared him to Kispert/Harris and I was immediately irritated. Said he will struggle at the rim (which might be true) but I believe cited VJ better cuz he can jump high... and he struggled. I just think there is more craft to finishing at the rim these days than "jump high". Kon supposedly has a float game from HS that he didn't do much since it wasn't a shot they liked... I just think there is more than Kispert/Harris... like if those guys could pass and handle they are much different players.
 
If the Jazz care about this, Fears is obviously the most confident player in the draft during interviews. Extremely strong body language for his age.

But I don't know how much the Jazz will rely on interviews post-Cody.
 
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