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Exactly, you play the early season as competively as possible (within reason) to gather data on your team's quality and the players you want to develop. You tank later when everyone else more or less starts tanking.
Nah... in a race if you can get a head start you do it. If we had lost 2 more of the close games we'd have just as much data as we do now (maybe more if we get more of the young guys).
 
Dallas absolutely is in position to out tank us. They have a hole the size of Texas on their roster. They are rumored to be really serious about moving AD. Kyrie just has to wait to come back and play. Easy money.

Sacramento will likely be better if they can get Sabonis back but they don't have to make a move to tank. Their biggest salaries are pretty checked out and they have a terrible coach.

Lauri is playing like 37-38 minutes per in the close games... I think Hardy is 1000% playing to win those even though he knows about the draft.

There is a legit difference of opinion between the Ainges in the FO. Coach's aren't always thinking about 3-5 years down the road. Without a bigger push from the FO I am not sure Will is gonna push the tank agenda.
The Jazz have much much much bigger roster holes than Dallas.
 
Oh give me a ****ing break. You see what Keyonte is doing this year? You dont get that if you just try to sabotage the team around him and Lauri. That's a clear example of why this stuff is way more nuanced than the tank purist want to make it out to be.
Yeah I mean if Svi plays 25% less minutes and Lauri plays 2-3 less minutes per game then Keyonte is still a scrub.
 
Always funny to me how homerism is present even when the team sucks. Yeah, the Jazz suck, but actually we are super good and the other bad teams are much much worse than us.
 
Mavs are starting Brandon Williams or Ryan Nembhard at pg. Dwight Powell is also starting for them since their bigs are made of glass. They also have Caleb Martin and a couple guys you've never heard of getting time off the bench.
 
The Jazz dont have a single rotation level center on the roster. The Mavs have 3 starter level ones.
Nurk is rotation level lol. It doesn't matter how many great centers you have on the roster if none of them play. Their available roster on a nightly basis is worse than ours.
 
If the Jazz did that it still wouldnt be enough to stop people from going Chicken Little about the tank and you wouldnt be happy with it at all.
If we were 4-15 you wouldn't hear about us being too good to tank. The margins in the close games are close enough that those things would absolutely have flipped a couple games.
 
Classic straw man arguments being put up lol. No one is saying that stuff but whatevs.
 
Mavs are starting Brandon Williams or Ryan Nembhard at pg. Dwight Powell is also starting for them since their bigs are made of glass. They also have Caleb Martin and a couple guys you've never heard of getting time off the bench.
And the Jazz are playing Nurkic/Love at the 5 while giving minutes to a backup PG who cant shoot outside of 3 feet and playing several other young players who cant play any defense.

The Mavericks have the 4th best defensive in the NBA. They are going to start winning games, possibly a lot, when they start getting their players back. Flagg will start getting better at a rapid pace (already showing signs). The Mavs will easily win more games than the Jazz. You can put a guarantee on that. I mean we have all discussed explicitly that a bottom defense is the most important thing to a tank but you are here bitching about the Mavs out-tanking us. The Jazz have achieved being a bad defense to secure the tank, but it's never enough for some people.

If somehow all this were flipped, you would be on here crying about how the Jazz are too good on defense and there is no possible way we can out-tank the Mavs who are a bottom 3 defensive in the NBA.
 
Oh give me a ****ing break. You see what Keyonte is doing this year? You dont get that if you just try to sabotage the team around him and Lauri. That's a clear example of why this stuff is way more nuanced than the tank purist want to make it out to be.
And yet, Keyonte has been developing while we did full or partial tanking for both of his prior seasons.
 
And yet, we got Keyonte while we did full or partial tanking for both of his seasons.
And we may have hurt his development because of it to some extent. The Jazz are doing things the right way. Zero reason to panic. The only time we should be anxious is on lottery night to see if we jump into the top 3 or not.
 
And we may have hurt his development because of it to some extent. The Jazz are doing things the right way. Zero reason to panic. The only time we should be anxious is on lottery night to see if we jump into the top 3 or not.
We should be nervous if we do not have a bottom-5 record as we can be forced to cough up the pick by teams jumping ahead of us in the lottery and pushing us back. We will be lucky to have the 5th worst record. There are plenty of teams legitimately worse than the Jazz at this point, unfortunately.

Happy for you that you got your Hawaiian shirt on about all of this, I am worried we are going to have gone through 4 seasons of hell with only Ace Bailey to show for it (the one year we did it right*).

*clarification: We didn't get Key, Brice, Collier, and Flip from debasing ourselves with lowly shenaniganry. That's what I'm referring to with "hell", and why I'd prefer we lean more into it so it's at least worth it.
 
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And the Jazz are playing Nurkic/Love at the 5 while giving minutes to a backup PG who cant shoot outside of 3 feet and playing several other young players who cant play any defense.

The Mavericks have the 4th best defensive in the NBA. They are going to start winning games, possibly a lot, when they start getting their players back. Flagg will start getting better at a rapid pace (already showing signs). The Mavs will easily win more games than the Jazz. You can put a guarantee on that. I mean we have all discussed explicitly that a bottom defense is the most important thing to a tank but you are here bitching about the Mavs out-tanking us. The Jazz have achieved being a bad defense to secure the tank, but it's never enough for some people.

If somehow all this were flipped, you would be on here crying about how the Jazz are too good on defense and there is no possible way we can out-tank the Mavs who are a bottom 3 defensive in the NBA.
Bookmarked. They have a tragic offense. Like Collier would be a great replacement for the guys they are running out there. Again - AD/Gafford/Lively > Nurk but none are playing. They have a coach that is looking to transition to the front office and don't control their own pick for like 5 years. AD will come back for a few games to prove he's healthy and get shipped out. Lively may have been a Luka creation. They have losses to several tanking teams already. The schedule is going to offset them getting a guy or two healthy (if they don't stretch out the injury).
 
I always love the attitude that if you question the approach a team takes that its whining and bitching.
 
Bookmarked. They have a tragic offense. Like Collier would be a great replacement for the guys they are running out there. Again - AD/Gafford/Lively > Nurk but none are playing. They have a coach that is looking to transition to the front office and don't control their own pick for like 5 years. AD will come back for a few games to prove he's healthy and get shipped out. Lively may have been a Luka creation. They have losses to several tanking teams already. The schedule is going to offset them getting a guy or two healthy (if they don't stretch out the injury).
Yes, the Mavericks will finish in the lottery. They have no protections on the pick though, so they are fine winning more games than the Jazz (not to mention they have recent bias of winning the lottery despite terrible odds, so they probably arent hyper concerned like some other teams might be). They arent going to tear it all down and just be horrendous. And even if they do to some extent (like trading AD) they will still be a very good defensive team and they will get players back in any trade they do.
 
I always love the attitude that if you question the approach a team takes that its whining and bitching.
No, it's whining and bitching if you are whining and bitching. Crying about the Mavs out-tanking us is peak bitching because nothing suggest they will out tank the Jazz if you view things objectively.
 
I don't think we went to far. Tanking the way we did is one of the best things this regime has done. Process wise it gave us the best chances to get the most out of the draft. If you want to do results based analysis instead, it's what got us Ace and I'm happy with it.

It's hard to give a "line", but I will list specific things I dislike about what we're doing:

- Playing Lauri every game
- Playing Lauri a career high in minutes
- Prioritizing Svi/Anderson/Love/vets over rookie contract players
- No minutes for Cody/TH
- Walt/Brice short leash
- Hesitancy to experiment (i.e Flip/TH at center, Ace on ball reps)

I see very little to no value gained from the above items. I'd go as as far as to say we are getting some negative value completely unrelated to tanking from that. Small changes to these things may only result in a few more loses, but those loses can prove to be critical in draft position and in our case be the difference between having a pick or not. And I'll say it again. Saying we're "fine" because we can still keep the pick is just preventing disaster scenario. For me that's nothing to be excited about and is just the bare minimum. Just like last year, I want the best odds at the best players. We may not be able to get #1, but we can do better than we are.
Yeah, I'm pretty much on board with almost everything here, maybe not quite too the degree you would want, but we are close. I would probably draw my line at things that could derail Lauri's all star bid (because I'm sure it's important to him, it's not to me) or things that would derail Keyonte's career year significantly.
 
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