Founding Fathers on Slavery

[moevillini]

...So this wasn't really a smear compromise based on telling slaves they aren't worth anything... it was actually beneficial for the slave.

not really, but it was beneficial for those states that allowed slavery because it gave them a larger number of representatives than they would have had if the slaves weren't counted at all

Because the north was so much more populous, it would have had a clear majority if the slaves had not counted at all - - who knows how things might have been different if that had been the case.

 

[The-Joker]

not really, but it was beneficial for those states that allowed slavery because it gave them a larger number of representatives than they would have had if the slaves weren't counted at all

Because the north was so much more populous, it would have had a clear majority if the slaves had not counted at all - - who knows how things might have been different if that had been the case.

Ya I edited that part before I saw this, nothing done before 1861 was really that beneficial for the slave.

 

[bat]

it had nothing to do with voting, it had to do with counting the population to determine how many representatives those states should have - - you know, how many seats in the House of Representatives.

Slaves couldn't vote, women couldn't vote, nobody under the age of 21 could vote - but they were still counted in determining the population, though slaves only counted as 3/5 of a person, in other words 5 slaves counted the same as 3 non-slaves

Literally the exact same problem, just remove having the slave owner himself vote for the slaves, and give the slave state representative the vote. If the slaves had actually had a vote, these guys who misrepresented the population wouldn't have had the opportunity to do so.

All it did was empower slave owners, and legalize the dehumanization of an entire race.

 

[The-Joker]

Literally the exact same problem, just remove having the slave owner himself vote for the slaves, and give the slave state representative the vote. If the slaves had actually had a vote, these guys who misrepresented the population wouldn't have had the opportunity to do so.

All it did was empower slave owners, and legalize the dehumanization of an entire race.

No, they would have been killed, if they didn't vote for the right person. These people knew who was voting for who, and even white landowners if they voted for the wrong guy got the shaft.

Essentially the first 235 years of American politics was fixed in some form or another.

 

[bat]

Well, they would have been killed because they were viewed as less than human, and it's okay to kill something that isn't human. If they had been viewed as humans, they wouldn't have been brought over and enslaved, they wouldn't have been ruthlessly murdered in the first place. The founding fathers didn't view these people as humans which is why there was slavery to being with.

Really, any way you shave it it comes out the same, the racism from our nations creators is inexcusable, regardless of the good things they as far as building a nation.

All this writer is trying to do find a way to ignore the fact that there is a double narrative in this story. The fact that our founding fathers were horrendous in some of their actions doesn't fit in with his belief of the American story, so he tries to ignore the awful things they did.

 

[bigb]

Essentially the first 235 years of American politics was fixed in some form or another.

That part got a good chuckle out of me.

 

[The-Joker]

That part got a good chuckle out of me.

Happy forth of july

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