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yes. i think it's 6.5M (meaning they could take back up to 6.6M). that would allow them to, for example, absorb gortat's salary and boozer would only need to make 14.2M to start in order to allow the jazz to take back carter and anderson.

BUT... those three guys represent 25M in new salary commitments for a team that's a few million away from the LT threshold. in other words, to do that deal, the jazz would also have to trade TWO of the following into another team's cap space to avoid paying the tax: memo, AK, sap. memo has no trade value right now, so the jazz would be giving up sap and AK (assuming an under-the-cap team would want to spend their money on those two instead of the available free agents).

what does that leave us with?

C: gortat, memo (injured), fes (if re-signed)
PF: anderson, evans, koufos
SF: carter, hayward
SG: matthews, miles
PG: williams, price

how many games would that lineup win? i'd say maybe 40-45, but they're not making the playoff in the west.
 
margodydek said:
Can somebody explain how trade exceptions work? This is one thing I've never understood. How could we use our trade exception(s) to help us?
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nice handle, btw.

a TPE just allows you to complete a trade non-simultaneously. in other words, from a CBA standpoint, the jazz never "completed" the harpring trade because they didn't get a player back in the deal. if an over-the-cap team trades a player away, they can take back (in the same transaction) a player making up to 125% of the traded player's salary plus $100k. if you DON'T take a player back right away, you create an exception to take back up to 100% of the traded salary plust $100K for a year after the original trade. basically it's a credit or an "IOU" that allows you to take back salary over the salary cap, even if you don't do it right away.

the thing is, you don't really "trade" a TPE like ford suggested. if we use the 6.5M exception from harpring to acquire a player making 5M, then the other team doesn't inherit that full exception... our non-simultaneous trade is now complete, and they have just created a separate 5M TPE that will be good for one year to allow them to complete their own non-simultaneous trade.
 
theNBAnerd said:
yes. i think it's 6.5M (meaning they could take back up to 6.6M). that would allow them to, for example, absorb gortat's salary and boozer would only need to make 14.2M to start in order to allow the jazz to take back carter and anderson.

BUT... those three guys represent 25M in new salary commitments for a team that's a few million away from the LT threshold. in other words, to do that deal, the jazz would also have to trade TWO of the following into another team's cap space to avoid paying the tax: memo, AK, sap. memo has no trade value right now, so the jazz would be giving up sap and AK (assuming an under-the-cap team would want to spend their money on those two instead of the available free agents).

what does that leave us with?

C: gortat, memo (injured), fes (if re-signed)
PF: anderson, evans, koufos
SF: carter, hayward
SG: matthews, miles
PG: williams, price

how many games would that lineup win? i'd say maybe 40-45, but they're not making the playoff in the west.
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One slight tweak to this is Boozer likely becomes a Base Year Player. But the fine print on that is he would trade at around 12 million for Cap purposes. So they probably could not take Carter for Boozer without more players being involved.

You could clarify this for me, though: Since Orlando is over the Cap, they can't create a TPE right? In other words, we couldn't trade Boozer straight up for Anderson with Orlando creating a TPE for the rest? If that's the case, then we would basically need to take back 9-10 million in salary from Orlando in just a straight S&T, whereas an Under the Cap team would be able to make up the difference in Cap Space by way of an S&T?
 
Great information guys...I'm impressed. So given all of the above information, what are your most logical predictions for who stays and goes, and who we end up with? The Orlando deal seems to make some sense for both sides personnel wise. What about New York for David Lee, etc.?
 
BPP said:
Great information guys...I'm impressed. So given all of the above information, what are your most logical predictions for who stays and goes, and who we end up with? The Orlando deal seems to make some sense for both sides personnel wise. What about New York for David Lee, etc.?
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1. Jazz lose Boozer
2. Jazz lose Korver
3. Jazz sign Jeffers to 2 year deal
4. End of free agency
 
billyshelby said:
One slight tweak to this is Boozer likely becomes a Base Year Player. But the fine print on that is he would trade at around 12 million for Cap purposes. So they probably could not take Carter for Boozer without more players being involved.
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actually, a player only becomes BYC if he receives a raise greater than 20% on the new contract. in the scenario i laid out above, he'd be signing for about 14.2 (roughly a 12% raise from his 09-10 salary) so he wouldn't be BYC in that scenario.

You could clarify this for me, though: Since Orlando is over the Cap, they can't create a TPE right? In other words, we couldn't trade Boozer straight up for Anderson with Orlando creating a TPE for the rest? If that's the case, then we would basically need to take back 9-10 million in salary from Orlando in just a straight S&T, whereas an Under the Cap team would be able to make up the difference in Cap Space by way of an S&T?
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this is correct... orlando can only take back 125% of the salary they send away + 100K. so whatever boozer's starting salary (BSS) is, orlando would have to give up:

(BSS -100K) x .8
 
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