FalseFlagg K
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i think the problem can be that his offensive system is great for the modern NBA but he doesn't have modern NBA players ..
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i think the problem can be that his offensive system is great for the modern NBA but he doesn't have modern NBA players ..
mellow
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Sorry...new lingo for positionless basketball.
Here, pick one of these.
His role. His rotation minutes. His roster spot. His salary slot.
Sandman822
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Right, but it seems kinda insane to me to blame Quin for not wanting to run an offense that can't win a championship in today's NBA to better suit his players offense when the majority of them aren't good on that end. That's a GM issue.
I don't see Jae being lazy. I see Jae being a bottom 5 percentile athlete.
Mission Accomplished
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What does it really take to runs Quin's offense? Doesn't look that spectacular looks like anyone can jack up a three with no consequences. Hardly ever attack and if we do we throw it back out for a three. Rudy dunks that is all the offense is doing.
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Again, I don’t know what or who you’re talking about or how on earth you came to your conclusion.
This team is stocked with big wings that can play the 4 in a pinch. If you’re talking about Paul George who the Jazz of course should have pursued, I don’t see how that directly impacts Crowder. Such an acquisition would impact certain players directly (such as Favors and Exum, Thabo, Jerebko, Udoh, and Burks) but likely wouldn’t impact Crowder as one of the guys competing for his role and minutes (Thabo) would necessarily have to be sent packing (not to mention Favors and Jerebko). If anything, it would immensely clean up the roles of players and the rotation.
Mission Accomplished
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Quin is over emphasizing the three. The numbers guys think this is amazing. But, we cant shoot. So, the numbers guys can blow it out their imaginary noses.
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This is actually the main problem we have. Our PGs have some severe limitations, and our frontcourt players have limitations too. If we had a do-it-all wunderkind PG, the limitations of Ingles, Crowder and Favors wouldn't be as much of a problem. If our forwards weren't so limited offensively, having a PG like Rubio wouldn't be problematic. So the Jazz need to figure out which issue they're going to solve. Would be nice if they could address both of them.
On nights when both Rubio and Crowder are playing well offensively, the Jazz are really good, but this only seems to happen about once every 4 or 5 games.
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Yeah, but in fairness our guys don't really shoot 2s either.
Sandman822
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I don't understand what this alternative is to shooting a bunch of threes? There's no one on the roster outside of Mitchell who is able to get to the rim and finish consistently (and even Mitchell has been poor at that for a lot of the season so far). People keep saying that the Jazz take too many 3s but I wonder how many people have actually thought about the alternative to that, which would essentially be Rubio/Crowder chucking long 2s instead since neither are able to finish at the rim consistently, maybe a few more Favors post ups and mid range Js, and maybe a slight uptick in FTs but I doubt it would be significant as most of the guys on the team aren't good at drawing fouls outside of Mitchell when he's being aggressive and not settling.
The only thing I could think of is Mitchell looking to drive and create for others a bit more instead of settling or taking contested shots at the rim as that would unlock the non-PG lineups which could potentially be lethal (Mitchell/Korver/Ingles/Crowder/Favs or Gobert, or some variation of that with Mitchell at the PG), but he's shown zero ability to play PG and I don't think that would change overnight.
In my opinion, Quin's questionable rotations and arguable misuse of players, and the team's lack of defense are far more important issues to address before his offensive scheme from a coaching standpoint. I think people are overreacting to tired legs on yet another tail end of a B2B on the road and how poor the fatigued offense looked against the best defensive team in the NBA currently with their offense criticisms.
edit: If people preferred the Jazz ran an offensive system similar to what the Spurs do, just keep in mind that literally the only reason why it is working out is because they have two elite mid range shooters in DeRozan and Aldridge who are able to keep it afloat. Jazz have no one who you would consider to be an elite mid range shooter.