Gobert gets 17 rebounds and not only does he have to start he is the greatest center in Jazz history. Kanter gets 17 rebounds and we should trade him for a bag of chips and some used toilet paper. Obviously, its because Kanter is a finished product. Wait Kanter is only a year older than Gobert and not a finished product. I just don't get why fans hate Kanter. Lets love both Gobert and Kanter.
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Sexual Favors
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Did you watch? He put up those numbers while we still had a fighting chance. His effort cut the lead before the halfm and then again at the start of the fourth.
Anyways, it was a **** game.
Doublea
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I wouldn't say obviously, we are really thin on players because of injury.
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This may be true, but it was still better than anything anyone else on the team put up tonight
Coach Ellis
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Being intentionally thin before the injuries was a clear tank move. I just hope that playing with these scrubs helps Rudy, Favors and Hayward feel awesome next year when the Jazz LOAD up. Gotta think there will be a huge boost in talent between now and next year. Jingles is starting, and if the Jazz are active and guys develop, he might not even crack the rotation next year. I could see him being Jeremy Evans in 2015/16.
Coach Ellis
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I do love them both, and I loathe all of the "trade Kanter" hate threads. With that said. . . I think Rudy is a franchise center and I think Favors >>>Kanter.
Kanter has his value, but I just don't think he's a great fit and I'd hate to see the Jazz saddled with a max or near max contract for him this offseason or lose him for nothing. I hope he kills it for the next month and becomes the hottest asset in the NBA by the deadline.
I desperately want the Jazz to flip him (plus Burke and some draft picks) for a potential #1 option wing to go with Hayward. Then I'd like to see the Jazz aggressively use the cap space created by trading those two guys to go after a veteran PG (preferably Dragic) and a 3&D guy (preferably Carroll) for the bench. Add a top 7 pick from this draft to that group, plus a healthy Burks and Hood as well as a bigger Exum, and I think the Jazz can surprise a lot of people.
Go into next year with Kanter and Burke in the starting lineup. . . not so much. . .
Hotdog
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Stats don't tell the whole story. It's all the little things that don't show up in the box score. Its how the player impacts the game that matters. If you think stats mean you are a good player, then you really arent paying attention to whats going on. Go look at the stats from the 76ers, there are a bunch of Allstars on that team in your eyes.
freakazoid
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The fact that he's capable of putting up these kind of numbers should make it clear why Utah needs to manage him carefully as an asset. Meanwhile the losses increase the value of our pick. A little patience and Utah could be loaded for bear to take the next step.
Hotdog
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Or they will repeat history and either retain Kanter and continue to start him for years, or they will let him walk for nothing.
Sorry, but the Jazz need to show me they can and will do the right thing with situations like these before I start to believe that they will.
I know this is just negative way of looking at it, but it's also the truth. The track record of the Jazz suggests that they won't and aren't treating him as an asset, but more like treating him like he is a part of the family and won't do anything mean, like trade him.
Trading Kanter is just as obvious as the fact that we should have traded Jefferson, and we didn't do it then
, and we knew it then.. But yet, here we are again talking like we understand how the Jazz view this.
I honestly am starting to believe that the Jazz aren't truly invested in winning a championship, and more about putting out a decent product that has players they like as people, so the community likes them. I don't think they are willing to make tough decisions in order to get where they need to be.
He's not much of an asset. You want him traded because you think he sucks. Do you think teams are going to line up wanting him? If he's going to theoretically go help some contender, a team looking for him to be a big off the bench, you think they'll want to give anything more than a 2nd round pick for what could potentially be half of a season for a player who wouldn't be able to even play five minutes in the playoffs. That's probably best case if anyone even wants him. If the Jazz are actively shopping him, that lowers his value even more. Sure, he can packaged with stuff, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a pretty ****ty asset. Fans are unrealistic about trades.
Yes, the Jazz could always just trade him for anything, no matter the return, but what if he could be re-signed at an uber low price? If they ship him for anything they're going to have to end up replacing his rotation spot with some scrub dude who will undoubtedly be worse than Kanter.
You don't see him as an asset on the Jazz so why do you think he's one on the trade market?
freakazoid
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The two situations are like night and day, and are not really similar in any way. Kanter can be an extremely valuable asset if we play our cards right. Dumping him for peanuts would be just plain foolish. The potential payoff is worth the risk of losing him for nothing, when you consider that peanuts are easy to come by, but valuable trade chips are not.
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I hate to say this, but you are determined to believe that the Jazz want to win now, regardless of the fact that winning now clearly isn't the priority. Once you make peace with the tank, everything makes good sense, and we don't have to struggle to understand why things are being done the way they are. Rudy would absolutely be starting if Utah was interested in winning now. I've been saying this for the last month or so, but there's no doubt Utah will have to get creative in order to steer the tank around Rudy. keeping him on the bench and limiting his minutes is not some kind of big mystery. It's pretty straight forward, unless you have it stuck in your mind that winning now is always the most important thing.
Hotdog
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I've gone over this a million times.
Kanter isn't garbage. He just isn't what I want on the team. Especially since we have Gobert. I wouldn't even be considering trading him if we didn't have Gobert. The biggest reason why I want Kanter traded is because that means Gobert doesn't play over Kanter. If we keep Kanter, this will go on til his next contract is up. We are talking 4+ years. I guarantee it.
Kanter does have value. Certainly way more than a 2nd round pick. It's Ludacris to suggest otherwise. We could sit down for a few hours and hash out why he has value, but It would be pointless, and take too long. Just take my word for it. He has value. Pretty good value too. But that value will start to drop once he gets paid
Look at other trades teams make. 2 first rounders for Mosgov? Really? Mosgov? Why not Kanter?
I promise you it's not the old saying around here that if there were deals to be had, the Jazz would make them. It's non sense.