Game Pace Stat

[addictionary]

Howdy.

Do you guys know if there is a statistical category for the average amount of time a team uses the basketball to reach the rim? Something to measure the pace of the team's offensive pace?

 

[CitizenofCapua]

Yes. John Hollinger's team statistics got some data about pace factor;

As expected Houston leading, Denver comes as second. Well probably because fast pace and early offense was those two teams' strategy but Milawukee third on that list probably just because their only strategy was "chuck asap!".

PACE: Pace Factor - the number of possessions a team uses per game.

https://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor

 

[addictionary]

That's great bro thanks. So if we also had a stat for the minutes that they've stayed on offense and use it to divide (48 ~minutes~ x ~60 seconds~), we could reach it. Say let's take %50 of it and we have this:

Although this is not reliable since obviously the hanging onto the ball time is not equal. But it is an example after all.

 

[ema]

Howdy.

Do you guys know if there is a statistical category for the average amount of time a team uses the basketball to reach the rim? Something to measure the pace of the team's offensive pace?

82 games did it once bro. But it is not active anymore, I believe. They used to brake down the 24 secs to four segments:

0-10 seconds ("quick" possession)
11-15 seconds ("early" possession)
16-20 seconds ("structured" possession)
21-24 seconds ("late" possession).

For instance, the shot clock usage for the 2006-2007 Jazz:
https://82games.com/0405UTA3.HTM

 

[ema]

^^^ Nope, it's still active.

Here bro, the last season of the Jazz...

https://www.82games.com/1213/1213UTA3.HTM

Edit: Just select the team you want to know about from the home page, then hit the "In-Depth Team Stats" on the left. A complete list of the teams would be awesome but I couldn't find one.

 

[addictionary]

Great man. I've read berkkobe's eksi link on the other thread and it made me concern about the Turkish NT determined as a Defensive team being a false statement since we usually ball hog and drain on offense and let the game pace down.

 

[ema]

Great man. I've read berkkobe's eksi link on the other thread and it made me concern about the Turkish NT determined as a Defensive team being a false statement since we usually ball hog and drain on offense and let the game pace down.

Yes, ball hogs = less possessions = lower scores. We were not a real defensive team in my opinion. We are not now that's for sure. Because these days we are not even a team in the first place.

 

[CitizenofCapua]

^^^ Nope, it's still active.

Here bro, the last season of the Jazz...

https://www.82games.com/1213/1213UTA3.HTM

Edit: Just select the team you want to know about from the home page, then hit the "In-Depth Team Stats" on the left. A complete list of the teams would be awesome but I couldn't find one.

Thats a good feed bro thanks.

Through that list i guess with ratio and proportion we can say Jazz averaged about 13,04 sec at shot clock usage last season and Houston for example used 11,165 sec of their shot clocks. If im not mistaken ofc cause my math sucks but with calculating this for each and every team we can get a list. But its a long process, it took me so long even calculating these two teams.

 

[ema]

Thats a good feed bro thanks.

Through that list i guess with ratio and proportion we can say Jazz averaged about 13,04 sec at shot clock usage last season and Houston for example used 11,165 sec of their shot clocks. If im not mistaken ofc cause my math sucks but with calculating this for every team we can get a list. But its a long process, it took me so long even calculating these two teams.

You're welcome bro.

I don't know how you did your calculations. My math sucks too but I think we can't calculate the average offense times accurately based on this data sets. We don't know if a "0-10" time is in fact 2 seconds or 6 seconds or 10 seconds. Same with the 11-15, 16-20 and 21-24. We can't produce any mean, median, or any deviation for an accurate average. You can find way too different averages if you intend but this kind of stat should be strictly accurate because even 2-3 seconds would mean a significant pace change.

I think the only way to accurately calculate the averages would require knowing the raw numbers of the times of every single offenses.

 

[CitizenofCapua]

You're welcome bro.

I don't know how you did your calculations. My math sucks too but I think we can't calculate the average offense times accurately based on this data sets. We don't know if a "0-10" time is in fact 2 seconds or 6 seconds or 10 seconds. Same with the 11-15, 16-20 and 21-24. We can't produce any mean, median, or any deviation for an accurate average. You can find way too different averages if you intend but this kind of stat should be strictly accurate because even 2-3 seconds would mean a significant pace change.

I think the only way to accurately calculate the averages would require knowing the raw numbers of every single offenses.

Yes i agree. We cant get the exact time its really incalculable. But i took their mid points, for example i took it 5 for the offenses that ended between 1-10 sec. Thats probably the most deceptive one, cause being able to finish offense in 5 sec. is pretty hard but fast breaks maybe balancing it to a point and i took 22,5 for the +21 late offenses and same for the other ones.. It will not give you the exact time but at least its giving you an approximate time and helping you to make a comprasion between teams at that category. Not sure how much its reliable though.