GAME thread: Rising Jazz @ "Setting" Suns : Sat. 2/6/16 ; 7:00 MST

[Coach Ellis]

I'm hoping that Rudy starts using the salute here after the All Star break. That was one thing last year that I loved and I've been waiting to see him to fire that up. Got the team and the fans pumped (and apparently Quin too.)

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm hoping that Rudy starts using the salute here after the All Star break. That was one thing last year that I loved and I've been waiting to see him to fire that up. Got the team and the fans pumped (and apparently Quin too.)

Yes, this.
I miss the salute

 

[Coach Ellis]

Rodney Hood carries the day again, this dude is turning into a great player before our eyes. Still loving that he never seems rattled and is always composed. Hopefully they can keep it going through the ASB.

I want Lyles and Hood to put on a shooting clinic in the Rising Stars game. Seemed like it was a big bump in confidence for both Gobert and Exum last year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Anyone have a gif of the Gobert jump shot?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

I'm hoping that Rudy starts using the salute here after the All Star break. That was one thing last year that I loved and I've been waiting to see him to fire that up. Got the team and the fans pumped (and apparently Quin too.)

He saluted once this season, and it delayed him getting back on defense, I can't remember the exact game. But I have a feeling after that Q put the kibosh on the salute, unfortunately.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Players' coach. Guys are going to WANT to come play for Quin in Utah (and stay). EXACTLY the coach we needed for DL to hire. Love the wink, too, This is Rudy's team, He's the leader. And it's contagious. Lyles is into it, then he gets Gordon doing the flex. Booker has fire. Favors has really come out of his shell. Can scarcely remember the quiet boy who arrived via trade and reportedly kept to himself.

This core just HAS to stay together. Gobert can set the first example by agreeing to a 5 yr/$100M extension. That would show the rest he's willing to take less than he'd get on the open market, Then the ball would be in Hayward's court to do the same type deal.

Are these numbers right? He can get $20mil/year on the open market? This says that the max he can get is about $16.5. https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

I know the cap goes up. So maybe that # does get near $20 million. But it still isn't much of a 'sacrifice' sounds like 5 years $100 million is his best case scenario.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Are these numbers right? He can get $20mil/year on the open market? This says that the max he can get is about $16.5. https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q16

I know the cap goes up. So maybe that # does get near $20 million. But it still isn't much of a 'sacrifice' sounds like 5 years $100 million is his best case scenario.

No, he can get 25%, which would likely be around $25M/ per (assuming BRE of $100M). Hayward and Favors will both be eligible for 30% contracts. I think some team would be willing to go max for each of them. All it takes is just one and each of them is good enough and young enough that if you're sitting around with cap space to burn, it would be worth it to add a player like any of those to your roster.

That's why I'm saying it would be a BARGAIN if Gobert gave Utah a discount down to "only" $20M/per.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

No, he can get 25%, which would likely be around $25M/ per (assuming BRE of $100M). Hayward and Favors will both be eligible for 30% contracts. I think some team would be willing to go max for each of them. All it takes is just one and each of them is good enough and young enough that if you're sitting around with cap space to burn, it would be worth it to add a player like any of those to your roster.

That's why I'm saying it would be a BARGAIN if Gobert gave Utah a discount down to "only" $20M/per.

Do you have some sources for this?


Edit: I see the 25% thing but the 2017 cap projection is $90million not $100.

 

[Stifle Tower]

It adds up in hurry. Assume each of the three gives Utah a hometown discount of $5m per year. That's $70M for those three. Hood certainly projects as a player that's going to get a big deal. So assume maybe close to $20M? Perhaps close to that for Dante? All of a sudden, Jazz are looking at $100-$110m for their starters. And that's assuming hometown discounts.

That's why I've repeatedly said Utah may have to let one of them go and count on those multiple picks in 2017 - or a preemptive trade to replace Hayward or Favors or Hood. And you all know which one of those I favor replacing... not because I don't really like him - just because I don't think Utah can afford to pay him $30M or even $25M.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I'm seeing $90 million next season but $109 the next season.

What if we just gave them the 'max' this offseason? Sure it's a bit less than they could get if they waited, but they get financial stability. A 'max' offer for Gobert THIS summer would be like $18 million, but it'd be a lot more in 2017. Same with Hayward and Favors.

I don't know much about the salary cap and contracts, but would they say no if we just offered all three of them 2016 'max' extensions this offseason? If they accepted that then suddenly keeping everyone together seems a bit more realistic.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Do you have some sources for this?


Edit: I see the 25% thing but the 2017 cap projection is $90million not $100.

I'm kind of using a midrange approximation, so bring Haywards contract down to $27M with 7.5% increases. The cap will then likely increase to $100m in a couple of seasons. But it doesn't matter if it's $90M or $190M. What matters are the percentages. If Gordon wants 30%, Favors wants 30% and Gobert gets 25% - that's 85% of the cap space for just 3 players. Just can't afford those percentages. Look at what Miami had to do - sign a bunch of ring chasers at the minimum to play with LBJ, Bosh and Wade. Or Brooklyn: pay whatever it was (90m?) in tax fines to field a team.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I'm kind of using a midrange approximation, so bring Haywards contract down to $27M with 7.5% increase. The cap will then likely increase to $100m in a couple of seasons. But it doesn't matter if it's $90M or $190M. What matters are the percentages. If Gordon wants 30%, Favors wants 30% and Gobert gets 25% - that's 85% of the cap space for just 3 players. Just can't afford those percentages. Look at what Miami had to do - sign a bunch of ring chasers at the minimum to play with LBJ, Bosh and Wade. Or Brooklyn: pay whatever it was (90m?) in tax fines to field a team.

That why the time they sign is important. Cap goes up, salary stays the same.