Gamethread: Jazz v Lakers. 7pm MST.

[enchilada_style]

I'm not sure what the word is to describe Exum on offense, but he might be the most stationary player in the league. Offensively the guy just does nothing. Defensively he's solid, but even on defense, doesn't make plays. 16 out of the last 24 games, he doesn't have a steal. Now 19 games in a row that he hasn't attempted a FT and 24 of the last 25. For a guy playing 25 minutes a game that is an embarrasingly pathetic statistic. Probaby an NBA record for futility. The excuse on Exum is that he's young, but history shows that when a guy is this bad, does so little, at age, 18, 19, 20 they simply don't become star NBA players. You look back at guys who came into the league either out of HS and become really good NBA players, they were never as bad or as "stationary" as Exum. Supposed to be a great passer. He plays 25 minutes and gets 3 assists a game. Embarrassing. Fellow rookie Jordan Clarkson made him look like a bitch last night. Hell, he is a bitch.

Watching Exum on the offensive end of the floor reminds of watching Jimmer on defense. All the other four guys are out there doing **** - making plays, creating shots, putting pressure on the defense, while Exum stands at the three point line and swings the ball around the perimeter. He doesn't compete on offense. He's a *****. He's soft. Again the excuse is that he's 19. Any 19 year old worth his **** since 19 year olds started playing in the NBA actually plays on the offensive end. Exum is garbage and an embarrassment. Quin Snyder wants to play him, wants him in the game and getting experience, and despite the fact that Trey Burke effing sucks, Snyder can't afford to keep Exum in the game in favor of Burke.

All of you jazzfanz who think Exum is a future star and a cornerstone of this franchise, I admire your optimism, but history shows even young guys simply are never this bad and turn in to great NBA players. Painful to watch.

/rant. Flame away.

He's 19.

 

[sepulchre]

I'm not sure what the word is to describe Exum on offense, but he might be the most stationary player in the league. Offensively the guy just does nothing. Defensively he's solid, but even on defense, doesn't make plays. 16 out of the last 24 games, he doesn't have a steal. Now 19 games in a row that he hasn't attempted a FT and 24 of the last 25. For a guy playing 25 minutes a game that is an embarrasingly pathetic statistic. Probaby an NBA record for futility. The excuse on Exum is that he's young, but history shows that when a guy is this bad, does so little, at age, 18, 19, 20 they simply don't become star NBA players. You look back at guys who came into the league either out of HS and become really good NBA players, they were never as bad or as "stationary" as Exum. Supposed to be a great passer. He plays 25 minutes and gets 3 assists a game. Embarrassing. Fellow rookie Jordan Clarkson made him look like a bitch last night. Hell, he is a bitch.

Watching Exum on the offensive end of the floor reminds of watching Jimmer on defense. All the other four guys are out there doing **** - making plays, creating shots, putting pressure on the defense, while Exum stands at the three point line and swings the ball around the perimeter. He doesn't compete on offense. He's a *****. He's soft. Again the excuse is that he's 19. Any 19 year old worth his **** since 19 year olds started playing in the NBA actually plays on the offensive end. Exum is garbage and an embarrassment. Quin Snyder wants to play him, wants him in the game and getting experience, and despite the fact that Trey Burke effing sucks, Snyder can't afford to keep Exum in the game in favor of Burke.

All of you jazzfanz who think Exum is a future star and a cornerstone of this franchise, I admire your optimism, but history shows even young guys simply are never this bad and turn in to great NBA players. Painful to watch.

/rant. Flame away.

Thank you. I totally agree with everything what you have said. I said the same thing some pages ago. Perfect summarized.

He's really not ready to run an NBA offense.

The dude has elite athleticism, elite defensive ability, elite passing skills ... but these are all things that don't really show up in the box score. We've all seen how easily he can get to the rim, how good his court vision is, how well he moves and plays within the flow of the game.

Elite athleticisim? Elite defensive ability? Elite passing skills?
Is this a joke?
What does elite mean to you? Elite like who? Do you live in wonderland?

 

[enchilada_style]

I think perhaps you don't understand the extent of Exum's suckitude. Jermaine O'Neal, at age 18 (remember Exum is 19), had a PER of 13. Exum's PER is 6. O'Neal was not close to as bad as Exum. O'Neal didn't get big minutes, but when he played, he actually competed and produced. Whiteside, whenever he's gotten extended minutes, has produced. He didn't play in his "rookie" year (played 2 minutes all year), but in his second year, he played 18 games and had a PER of 16. This year is really his first with significant minutes, the kind of minutes Exum is getting and he has a PER of 27.

So now we are comparing Exum to Whiteside and O'neal? Makes sense.

 

[sepulchre]

So now we are comparing Exum to Whiteside and O'neal? Makes sense.

Dude, look carefully. He didn't start the comparison, spinoza did. Blame him and even his comparison failed.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

Also, Hassan Whiteside and Jermaine O'Neal are relatively simple counterexamples to your argument that ALL 19 year-olds play at a certain level in order to be successful. And honestly, Exum looks a lot better to me than many other fresh-out-of HS players I've seen.

Whiteside only played 2 minutes his rookie season. His per-minutes stats since then have been great:

2011-2012: 16.2 PER
2014-2015: 27.4 PER

O'Neal also didn't play many minutes when he was young, but his per-minutes stats were also good:

1996-1997: 13.7 PER
1997-1998: 12.6 PER
1998-1999: 13.7 PER

Either Exum can't do it, or he won't. We can only hope the latter is true. Maybe it's time for Snyder to demand some accountability from him. Bench him and/or send him to the DLeague. Maybe then he'll wake up.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

SeattleJazz beat me to it...

Whiteside only played 2 minutes his rookie season. His per-minutes stats since then have been great:

2011-2012: 16.2 PER
2014-2015: 27.4 PER

O'Neal also didn't play many minutes when he was young, but his per-minutes stats were also good:

1996-1997: 13.7 PER
1997-1998: 12.6 PER
1998-1999: 13.7 PER

Either Exum can't do it, or he won't. We can only hope the latter is true. Maybe it's time for Snyder to demand some accountability from him. Bench him and/or send him to the DLeague. Maybe then he'll wake up.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

He's 19.

lol

 

[NAOS]

I think perhaps you don't understand the extent of Exum's suckitude. Jermaine O'Neal, at age 18 (remember Exum is 19), had a PER of 13. Exum's PER is 6. O'Neal was not close to as bad as Exum. O'Neal didn't get big minutes, but when he played, he actually competed and produced. Whiteside, whenever he's gotten extended minutes, has produced. He didn't play in his "rookie" year (played 2 minutes all year), but in his second year, he played 18 games and had a PER of 16. This year is really his first with significant minutes, the kind of minutes Exum is getting and he has a PER of 27.

what's this really about, bruce? What else is going wrong in yr life? *sniffles*

 

[Hantlers]

Whenever somebody starts using the argument that a player is bad at defense because he doesn't get steals, that's a pretty good time to stop listening to them. I know Exum has been disappointing, but we all knew he was going to be super raw, and you can't really compare him to previous players...his is a pretty unique situation. I'm not too concerned about it yet.

 

[NAOS]

Whenever somebody starts using the argument that a player is bad at defense because he doesn't get steals, that's a pretty good time to stop listening to them. I know Exum has been disappointing, but we all knew he was going to be super raw, and you can't really compare him to previous players...his is a pretty unique situation. I'm not too concerned about it yet.

This.

But, frreal, seattlejazzfan has been unlistenable on this subject since, like, the 5th game of the season.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Whiteside only played 2 minutes his rookie season. His per-minutes stats since then have been great:

2011-2012: 16.2 PER
2014-2015: 27.4 PER

O'Neal also didn't play many minutes when he was young, but his per-minutes stats were also good:

1996-1997: 13.7 PER
1997-1998: 12.6 PER
1998-1999: 13.7 PER

Either Exum can't do it, or he won't. We can only hope the latter is true. Maybe it's time for Snyder to demand some accountability from him. Bench him and/or send him to the DLeague. Maybe then he'll wake up.

Agreed. Problem with the Dleague is I think Jazz brass are worried DLeaguers would kick his *** and what little confidence he currenty has would be gone.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

Whenever somebody starts using the argument that a player is bad at defense because he doesn't get steals, that's a pretty good time to stop listening to them. I know Exum has been disappointing, but we all knew he was going to be super raw, and you can't really compare him to previous players...his is a pretty unique situation. I'm not too concerned about it yet.

Hantlers, reading is fundamental. Please show me where I said Exum was bad defensively. in fact, I said the opposite. Hard to have a discussion with people who can't read. Oh well.