CAKAR
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This guy is right, Kanter was not good enough to win the game in 14 minutes, by getting 3 shots.
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This guy is right, Kanter was not good enough to win the game in 14 minutes, by getting 3 shots.
That senior citizen would still dominate Bill Russell and kick the **** out of Malone. The dude invented layup, he knows all the ins and outs of the game and yet Al outplayed him. You just simply can't ask more from your starting C.
Exactly. This was the kind of game that separates men from boys and we can see who is who on the boxscore. Kanter was 1-3 against Jefferson's 4-13. He ain't ready yet to play against likes of Kurt Thomas and even against less experienced and younger players like Kenyon Martin.
Al played aggressive defense against Copeland who was on a roll and defended the shot all the time because Copeland is a known prolific shooter but partners failed Al and didn't help. Al did everything he could and everything Coach told him. It's not Center's job to defend mobile 3pt shooting forwards yet he kept him to 6 of 15 which is very solid defense.
CAKAR
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Yes, interesting opinion.Maybe we have to sent Kanter to D-League, for him to gain a bit more experience at playing basketball and taking him back, after he got Veteran-Status.
DutchJazzer
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fgcamel
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This may have been posted here already, and i know nobody cares what locke has to say anymore. but i really feel like this portrays my problem with the jazz staff.
From David Lockes blog
The only reason those are the guys that need to make the plays is because they are the ones the plays are going to, if we gave those plays to other people, then maybe those plays would be made.
Again, these match ups could have been won... Derrick Favors on Copeland? Enes Kanter on Kurt Thomas? Alec Burks on Raymond Felton?
From David Lockes blog
The only reason those are the guys that need to make the plays is because they are the ones the plays are going to, if we gave those plays to other people, then maybe those plays would be made.
Again, these match ups could have been won... Derrick Favors on Copeland? Enes Kanter on Kurt Thomas? Alec Burks on Raymond Felton?
DutchJazzer
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Just throwing up a general Corbin critique in here as well:
If you only watch occasional Jazz games it's hard to fully see the dysfunctional nature of Corbin's rotations and gameplans.
- Players routinely fall in and out of the rotation entirely in a way that is just baffling. Burks finished last year playing ~20 minutes/game by the end of the year, took him half way through this year to break into the rotation at all. Played great minutes at backup PG for about a 10 game span when Watson was playing really badly (He's always awful, but bad even for his standards) and then was discontinued for more bad play by Watson when Mo came back.
- Same thing with Demarre Carroll, who (sadly) is pretty easily the best three on the roster.
- Tinsley started basically every game while Mo was out, was clearly ahead of Watson in terms of production and pecking order, then mysteriously disappeared from the rotation without injury while Watson is now playing a significant amount of minutes.
- Mo Williams is a decent player, but he needs a coach who doesn't just give him free reign to do whatever the hell he wants at the end of the game. Tonight was the perfect example of how he has hurt the Jazz all year. With three minutes left, the Jazz down 5 or 6, Mo and Al Jefferson combine to take the Jazz last 10 shots, going 1 for 10. Every single shot was an isolation when neither player had a particularly good game to that point.
- Young players are held accountable for mistakes while old players seemingly cannot lose rotation spots (except those who lose them mysteriously while still clearly being the best option - Carroll, Tinsley)
- Kanter is a player who on any other team of similar quality would get ~30 minutes a game, as would Favors, yet they are continually benched for Millsap and Jefferson (Some of this is obviously on the FO). Primarily, what is frustrating is that Ty will hold them out of the game almost entirely if Al or Paul is playing well, claiming that he stuck with the hot hand, but refuses entirely to use this principle to justify extra minutes for either Kanter or Favors. Very frustrating.
- For the majority of the year, Hayward has come off the bench but really been our best/most consistent all around player. This leads to odd situations where frequently Hayward will play sparingly in the first, most of the second, then the last half of the third and the entire fourth, leading to horrible play down the stretch primarily because he doesn't have his legs and leaves everything short after playing 15-18 consecutive minutes.
This was just a quick off the top list of my problems with Ty, and doesn't even mention the fact that we have no cohesive offensive or defensive vision.
If you only watch occasional Jazz games it's hard to fully see the dysfunctional nature of Corbin's rotations and gameplans.
- Players routinely fall in and out of the rotation entirely in a way that is just baffling. Burks finished last year playing ~20 minutes/game by the end of the year, took him half way through this year to break into the rotation at all. Played great minutes at backup PG for about a 10 game span when Watson was playing really badly (He's always awful, but bad even for his standards) and then was discontinued for more bad play by Watson when Mo came back.
- Same thing with Demarre Carroll, who (sadly) is pretty easily the best three on the roster.
- Tinsley started basically every game while Mo was out, was clearly ahead of Watson in terms of production and pecking order, then mysteriously disappeared from the rotation without injury while Watson is now playing a significant amount of minutes.
- Mo Williams is a decent player, but he needs a coach who doesn't just give him free reign to do whatever the hell he wants at the end of the game. Tonight was the perfect example of how he has hurt the Jazz all year. With three minutes left, the Jazz down 5 or 6, Mo and Al Jefferson combine to take the Jazz last 10 shots, going 1 for 10. Every single shot was an isolation when neither player had a particularly good game to that point.
- Young players are held accountable for mistakes while old players seemingly cannot lose rotation spots (except those who lose them mysteriously while still clearly being the best option - Carroll, Tinsley)
- Kanter is a player who on any other team of similar quality would get ~30 minutes a game, as would Favors, yet they are continually benched for Millsap and Jefferson (Some of this is obviously on the FO). Primarily, what is frustrating is that Ty will hold them out of the game almost entirely if Al or Paul is playing well, claiming that he stuck with the hot hand, but refuses entirely to use this principle to justify extra minutes for either Kanter or Favors. Very frustrating.
- For the majority of the year, Hayward has come off the bench but really been our best/most consistent all around player. This leads to odd situations where frequently Hayward will play sparingly in the first, most of the second, then the last half of the third and the entire fourth, leading to horrible play down the stretch primarily because he doesn't have his legs and leaves everything short after playing 15-18 consecutive minutes.
This was just a quick off the top list of my problems with Ty, and doesn't even mention the fact that we have no cohesive offensive or defensive vision.
Did Big Al give birth through his chest recently?
He donated his heart during all star break. He is down to only two now.
Big Al IS big.
ATB
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This game tonight kinda assured me that Mo just isn't what the Jazz need in a point guard him jack'n up wild shots .. While our bigs were posting up against the gramps of the NBA with no one to ever pass them the ball..
why didn't Ty go nuts and tell them to get things together?... and heck play Carol if Foye ain't hit'n his shots...
lets face it Mo isn't our point guard and I just don't think we can ever win a championship with Corbin
why didn't Ty go nuts and tell them to get things together?... and heck play Carol if Foye ain't hit'n his shots...
lets face it Mo isn't our point guard and I just don't think we can ever win a championship with Corbin
Worst thing about Locke post-game was he painted this miserable picture, explained how awful they were and how negative he feels after the cumulative impact of all these woeful losses and, while every other sane Jazz fan was lamenting how utterly low this rudderless ship has sunk, he was all like "we REALLY need to get 2/3 in Texas now". Ugh. Forget Texas dude.
What are we since the deadline? Feels like 2-20.
What are we since the deadline? Feels like 2-20.
COJazz44
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“You've got to give them credit. They were the aggressors all night. They made things tough for us,’’ said Utah coach Tyrone Corbin. “These guys are who they are. They’re going to play physical most games. They’re a veteran group of guys. They’ve been in this league a long time. They know how to play and understand the opportunity.
"They’re not the fastest and quickest guys anymore, but they’re smart and know how to play the game."
Well, we finally know how Corbin feels about veterans
"They’re not the fastest and quickest guys anymore, but they’re smart and know how to play the game."
Well, we finally know how Corbin feels about veterans
gregbroncs
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LMAO. I could not watch this game, Thank god. But can someone explain how you lose to a team without their 3 best players, at home, when they are on a long road trip?
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My only thought is that this team really has quite on Ty.
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My only thought is that this team really has quite on Ty.
carolinajazz
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.....talking about Kenyon Martin and JR Smith!
DutchJazzer
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i was half asleep waking up a couple of times during the game.
so cant tell you
atleast al did not chuck.
he took only 13 shots