Gawd No Another Trade Thread

[fishonjazz]

My dad and I went in on it too... I'm not sure why all the worry. We've had a tough schedule, have been very close in nearly every game, and haven't really had Hayward click in like we hope he can. Almost every team in the league has a guy that if they get hurt they are kind of in a tough spot. We are totally fine here.

Agreed

 

[spycam1]

Yeah, I would have taken that bet too.

I don't think it's at all far fetched to think we could be four games better than last year (a year in which **** Kancer started over half the season). I also think there's more overall parity in the league this year, which would help our chances of an improved record.

Unless Favors, Gobert, or Hayward have crazy injuries, I'd be surprised if we don't make the over.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

They can't get a 1st round pick for one of the best big man shooters in teh NBA? Have you seen his last 3 games? I'm sure they will give him to a conference rival (for the last playoff spots) for pennies on the dollar. Jrue Holiday? 2 years left on a great contract? Yeah, give us nothing for him?

This is one of those trades the other team post on their board and laughs at. Like how Boston wanted us to trade them Favors for nothing.

Trey Lyles was a lotto pick (he still has value even though he's been bad), $7M in savings this year, additional cap space next year, they tank the season this year to add some young top tier talent. I said I'd add the OKC pick as well... that is not nothing.

Both of these players carry significant injury risk which hurts their value... significantly. Guys in last year's of their contract typically don't fetch first round picks and it is tough to say Jrue's contract is great when he has an injury that has had him miss most of the last two years and on a significant minutes restriction now.

Look at trade history... Jeff Green netted a protected first rounder from a playoff team when he was traded (he had two years left on his deal). Thad Young got less at the deadline for MN, but there were circumstances there. Isiah Thomas a healthy productive player on an amazing contract got a first rounder.

Not saying they couldn't do better, but it is not "nothing" or "laughable" as you suggest... I would expect nothing less though from the board's contrarian that wanted to give up Lyles, a first, and contract fodder for the perpetually hurt Wilson Chandler.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, I would have taken that bet too.

I don't think it's at all far fetched to think we could be four games better than last year (a year in which **** Kancer started over half the season). I also think there's more overall parity in the league this year, which would help our chances of an improved record.

Unless Favors, Gobert, or Hayward have crazy injuries, I'd be surprised if we don't make the over.

I think when we hit the dog days of the season we will really make some hay... Teams won't want to grind with us and we can get some easy ones.

 

[NUMBERICA]

This is one of those trades the other team post on their board and laughs at. Like how Boston wanted us to trade them Favors for nothing.

Guaran****ingteed.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trey Lyles was a lotto pick (he still has value even though he's been bad), $7M in savings this year, additional cap space next year, they tank the season this year to add some young top tier talent. I said I'd add the OKC pick as well... that is not nothing.

Both of these players carry significant injury risk which hurts their value... significantly. Guys in last year's of their contract typically don't fetch first round picks and it is tough to say Jrue's contract is great when he has an injury that has had him miss most of the last two years and on a significant minutes restriction now.

Look at trade history... Jeff Green netted a protected first rounder from a playoff team when he was traded (he had two years left on his deal). Thad Young got less at the deadline for MN, but there were circumstances there. Isiah Thomas a healthy productive player on an amazing contract got a first rounder.

Not saying they couldn't do better, but it is not "nothing" or "laughable" as you suggest... I would expect nothing less though from the board's contrarian that wanted to give up Lyles, a first, and contract fodder for the perpetually hurt Wilson Chandler.

Trey Lyles was the 12th pick, he could have easily dropped much lower if the Jazz didn't draft him. Let's not act like he is some undisputed lottery talent, he isn't.

Ryan Anderson and Jrue Holiday can get better than Trey Lyles and cap relief, this is beyond bad trade for New Orleans. I mean, to top off giving away 2 good players, you are giving those players to a team you directly compete with for a playoff spot. They would be giving us Jrue Holiday next year (the guy they are slowly bringing along to health) to either be our starting PG or really ****ing good backup PG. That's insane.

This trade is lol worthy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Trey Lyles was a lotto pick (he still has value even though he's been bad), $7M in savings this year, additional cap space next year, they tank the season this year to add some young top tier talent. I said I'd add the OKC pick as well... that is not nothing.

Both of these players carry significant injury risk which hurts their value... significantly. Guys in last year's of their contract typically don't fetch first round picks and it is tough to say Jrue's contract is great when he has an injury that has had him miss most of the last two years and on a significant minutes restriction now.

Look at trade history... Jeff Green netted a protected first rounder from a playoff team when he was traded (he had two years left on his deal). Thad Young got less at the deadline for MN, but there were circumstances there. Isiah Thomas a healthy productive player on an amazing contract got a first rounder.

Not saying they couldn't do better, but it is not "nothing" or "laughable" as you suggest... I would expect nothing less though from the board's contrarian that wanted to give up Lyles, a first, and contract fodder for the perpetually hurt Wilson Chandler.

It's laughable. Teams competing with each other for the same few playoff spots don't give up rotation talent for cap relief and a fringe lottery talent who hasnt shown promise.

Every example you outlined involved trades out of conference and where with players who were all very flawed and sometimes disliked by their teams.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they are being a "contrarian" it just means you have a terrible idea.

 

[silesian]

We likely need to add salary for next year because we will be below the floor.

Being below the salary floor is an asset, not a liability. Definitely not a reason to do a trade. We can always use the space to take on salary and help another team avoid tax or repeater tax. They will give up assets in return. Also, there is no team penalty for being below the floor, money just goes to players. Jazz pay the floor no matter what happens.

 

[silesian]

there's more overall parity in the league this year, which would help our chances of an improved record.

Parity means lower teams are relatively better and higher teams are relatively worse. If you believe this our probability of a win against better teams goes up and the probability of a win against a worse team goes down. I don't think the net competition is significantly different from last year to this year. Therefore we have to be better to win more, the schedule does not do it for us.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Trey Lyles was the 12th pick, he could have easily dropped much lower if the Jazz didn't draft him. Let's not act like he is some undisputed lottery talent, he isn't.

Ryan Anderson and Jrue Holiday can get better than Trey Lyles and cap relief, this is beyond bad trade for New Orleans. I mean, to top off giving away 2 good players, you are giving those players to a team you directly compete with for a playoff spot. They would be giving us Jrue Holiday next year (the guy they are slowly bringing along to health) to either be our starting PG or really ****ing good backup PG. That's insane.

This trade is lol worthy.

Chad Ford had Lyles as #9 on his final big board... Indiana was considering him and Turner... he wouldn't have fallen much further... it wasn't like we reached.

Regarding your teams in the same division who compete with each other bs... Houston made some trades with OKC.. we traded with OKC... you suggested a trade at the beginning of the season with Denver... we don't compete with them? GMs trade for the best deal... who is going to give more for those guys?

Several posters have said they wouldn't do it from our side... you may think they'd never do it, but it is within the fairness window. I wouldn't overpay for these guys. Holiday may never recover from this injury. Anderson does some great things but he's also a ****ty defender... he is flawed you could say... same with Holiday. It kind of falls right in line with the other comps I've given.

So since you are so smart... Take Holiday out of it because his value has too much variance... What would you trade for Anderson if you are Utah? Would you hold onto him if you are NO and hope he doesn't bolt?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Being below the salary floor is an asset, not a liability. Definitely not a reason to do a trade. We can always use the space to take on salary and help another team avoid tax or repeater tax. They will give up assets in return. Also, there is no team penalty for being below the floor, money just goes to players. Jazz pay the floor no matter what happens.

I understand all of this, but teams won't need to clear space because everyone is getting a bump... those deals are very likely not to be available. It doesn't make sense not to use that asset to improve the team when you are sending the cash out anyway.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

It's laughable. Teams competing with each other for the same few playoff spots don't give up rotation talent for cap relief and a fringe lottery talent who hasnt shown promise.

Every example you outlined involved trades out of conference and where with players who were all very flawed and sometimes disliked by their teams.

Just because someone disagrees with you doesnt mean they are being a "contrarian" it just means you have a terrible idea.

NO isn't competing with us for the last few spots this year... they are toast. Next year maybe, but they have bigger issues they need to address long-term than worry about helping us.