Gay Marriage is GO...

[LogGrad98]

to Spazz and Dutch (and others who state that it is strictly a religious issue)

What do you say about the long list of religions that SUPPORT equal rights for same-sex couples?

Is "your" religion the only "right" religion?

take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

the list includes some large denominations, such as the Presbyterian Church, the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ - several other large denominations (such as Lutherans and Methodists) don't take a position either in favor or opposed but leave it up to individual churches

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches

I would say that a majority of religions do indeed feel that they are the only true religion, or that most folks feel that way even if it isn't an official statement of said religion.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

to Spazz and Dutch (and others who state that it is strictly a religious issue)

What do you say about the long list of religions that SUPPORT equal rights for same-sex couples?

Is "your" religion the only "right" religion?

take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

the list includes some large denominations, such as the Presbyterian Church, the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ - several other large denominations (such as Lutherans and Methodists) don't take a position either in favor or opposed but leave it up to individual churches

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches

While good info, it really has nothing to do with what I was saying.

Determining if "my" religion is right or wrong is irrelevant to the argument I have seen made often that marriage has been around far longer than religion has so therefore religionist views of marriage matter less than secular views of marriage.

I have never once stated that marriage is strictly a religious issue, but I reject the idea that religious ideas about marriage are less valid because marriage was "owned" by people before religion came about.

I really don't know what Dutch has been saying, so he can speak for himself.

 

[Harambe]

Which is exactly what conservatives are afraid of. You call them silly for it.

Dealing with your first point, in states where it is illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation an officiant may be sued for not performing a ceremony(or a baker a cake and so on). If we pass similar national anti-discrimination legislation than yes an officiant could be sued for refusing to serve gay people.

I do call them silly for it. They should know better. What about it?

Got a link to back that up?

 

[moevillini]

I would say that a majority of religions do indeed feel that they are the only true religion, or that most folks feel that way even if it isn't an official statement of said religion.

obviously!!!!

and my God could beat up your god, so there

 

[♪alt13]

I do call them silly for it. They should know better. What about it?

Got a link to back that up?

Right you say it's silly for them to think it can ever happen. Then, when pressed, not only do you say it is possible but you are actually for it.

Florist sued in Washington for refusing to serve a gay wedding and lost.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/02/20/living/stutzman-florist-gay/

This summer, the Supreme Court will rule on gay marriage, and many observers expect the ruling to be a Roe v. Wade-type legal landmark, perhaps declaring a constitutional right to same-sex marriage. The Congress may consider again a version of the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which would make sexual orientation and gender identity into protected classes. This means that what is happening to Barronelle Stutzman in Washington State could be happening to Christians nationwide in very short order.

 

[Stoked]

There was also a Baker in New Mexico that was sued and lost.

But those are not the same as a Church.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

to Spazz and Dutch (and others who state that it is strictly a religious issue)

What do you say about the long list of religions that SUPPORT equal rights for same-sex couples?

Is "your" religion the only "right" religion?

take a look at this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT-affirming_Christian_denominations

the list includes some large denominations, such as the Presbyterian Church, the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ - several other large denominations (such as Lutherans and Methodists) don't take a position either in favor or opposed but leave it up to individual churches

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing_of_same-sex_unions_in_Christian_churches

Good point. People who argue for the that law should privilege religious belief in matters of public policy always (or typically) assume that it their religion, or their interpretation of a particular religion, that will be privileged over others. I guarantee that IF they perceived that another religion, or a different interpretation of their religion were to be privileged, they would back track quickly on their loud, boisterous claims that faith-based beliefs should be privileged in making public policies.

It is purely an argument of convenience, and not one of true principle.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

to Spazz and Dutch (and others who state that it is strictly a religious issue)

Also, please show me where I stated this.
I think either you read into something or I stated something poorly.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

There was also a Baker in New Mexico that was sued and lost.

But those are not the same as a Church.

Correct. If that baker denied service based on race they would have been sued and lost as well. Sexual orientation as a protected class is next up and will happen. But the 1st Amendment will still protect churches and religion.

 

[Stoked]

Correct. If that baker denied service based on race they would have been sued and lost as well. Sexual orientation as a protected class is next up and will happen. But the 1st Amendment will still protect churches and religion.

I agree but I also think there will be those that sue over a church not marrying them or allowing them to use their buildings. I think the Church will win and that will be that.

 

[Harambe]

Right you say it's silly for them to think it can ever happen. Then, when pressed, not only do you say it is possible but you are actually for it.

Florist sued in Washington for refusing to serve a gay wedding and lost.
https://www.cnn.com/2015/02/20/living/stutzman-florist-gay/

That's a florist, not someone offering a legal union.

 

[bigb]

Is "your" religion the only "right" religion?

Yes, duh. You'd better join or you're going to Hell.