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George Romney: the right way to change your position

https://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/01/25/george-romney-taught-how-to-change-positions/

Sounds like a Repubhlican I could see myself voting for, at least in some circumstances.


I won't be surprised to see Senator Orrin Hatch ran through the mud for reversing his position on the payroll tax cut because it was a $114 billion dollar mistake that did little for job growth. The party wants him out anyway but learning from a mistake shouldn't be used as a reason.
 
https://freethoughtblogs.com/dispatches/2012/01/25/george-romney-taught-how-to-change-positions/

Sounds like a Repubhlican I could see myself voting for, at least in some circumstances.

I've written a piece about twice that I was going to put in the thread about LDS priesthood denial, where I tried to be brief and paint a comprehensive sort of picture. In it, in one version, I even said that when a significant number of Mormon leaders are beginning to think about changing an element of the belief set, there is always a rush from "Defenders of the Faith" to defend the challenged element, usually put out in fairly extreme form. . . . that there was a growing realization from years prior, that something needed to be changed.

I tried as well to put the old kernel on an understandable, which is to say, sympathetic, basis, too. Just too much for a thread. Maybe a book. I don't think we are going to change human nature, but we can set up a government and system of law that does treat people equally and fairly, and protect their individual human rights. Well, at least improve things some. It'll always just be necessary for people to learn things like compassion, understanding, and respect for those who are significantly different in any way, at least where it is possible to do so. Maybe not when the "barbarian hordes" are in full tilt breaking down your castle gate or scrambling over your city walls or borders, and you feel your whole world is under imminent threat and your life or livelihood is on the line. . . and you don't think you need to move the aborigines out of the way of progress, or need slave labor or cheap labor bordering on slavery. . . . .but at least when you are strong and secure enough to be nice.

I think that article is way above par for reporting, and demonstrates both intelligence and, in the last sentence, great wit.

I think George Romney had some good qualities. Good enough I even used to be proud he is also a descendant of my great-grandpa, at least according to family legend. I haven't actually looked up the genealogy. But Mitt just makes me embarassed. I'm even related to George Bush, and a British spy during the American Revolution, and witches who were hung by some pious folks, who were also my ancestors, and probably everybody else on planet earth if you care to look at things like that, criminals and idiots.

I might have been born a fool, but here I am yammering away to see if I can't overcome the disability. Probably only convincing myself I'm making progress while looking more and more like it's a quixotic tilt.
 
I won't be surprised to see Senator Orrin Hatch ran through the mud for reversing his position on the payroll tax cut because it was a $114 billion dollar mistake that did little for job growth. The party wants him out anyway but learning from a mistake shouldn't be used as a reason.

I have a sister who has gotten through the front office barrier and has been regularly calling Orrin to try to set him straight.

That, in itself, makes me sypathetic with his plight.

It's just not much fun to have her telling you what to do.
 
No way would he be considered a Republican today. At least not a "real" Republican.

What the hell is a Republican today?

If you're not Christian (evangelical or catholic. Not Mormon, since the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints obviously isn't Christian), white, anti-Obama, pro-military everything, talk about the tea party and constitution, cite Reagan, or anti-Mexican, and then flip flop on every single one of these issues the very next week, it seems like you cannot be one.

Furthermore, I've seen recently the repub candidates blast Obama for impeding the free market then blasting Romney for using the free market to gain wealth. Now they're blasting him for his donations to his church (something that repubs just a few years ago claimed was the cure for all food stamps and health care. Charities and churches would pick up the slack, right?

Lastly, repubs talk about being all about family values.... then they vote for Newt.

I seriously, have no clue how anyone can identify with that party anymore. What do they stand for? Guess it depends on the week...
 
No way would he be considered a Republican today. At least not a "real" Republican.

He wouldn't be a real Democrat, either.

Probably he would be exactly what he was then. . . . . The "real" George Romney. . . . . the guy who actually told people what he really thought.
 
What the hell is a Republican today?

If you're not Christian (evangelical or catholic. Not Mormon, since the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints obviously isn't Christian), white, anti-Obama, pro-military everything, talk about the tea party and constitution, cite Reagan, or anti-Mexican, and then flip flop on every single one of these issues the very next week, it seems like you cannot be one.

Furthermore, I've seen recently the repub candidates blast Obama for impeding the free market then blasting Romney for using the free market to gain wealth. Now they're blasting him for his donations to his church (something that repubs just a few years ago claimed was the cure for all food stamps and health care. Charities and churches would pick up the slack, right?

Lastly, repubs talk about being all about family values.... then they vote for Newt.

I seriously, have no clue how anyone can identify with that party anymore. What do they stand for? Guess it depends on the week...

A-freakin-Men.

Also, people rip on Romney for changing his position on abortion. Isn't the whole reason we debate these topics so people WILL change their position? It worked, so Repubs get pissed that it worked. Nice.
 
What the hell is a Republican today?

If you're not Christian (evangelical or catholic. Not Mormon, since the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints obviously isn't Christian), white, anti-Obama, pro-military everything, talk about the tea party and constitution, cite Reagan, or anti-Mexican, and then flip flop on every single one of these issues the very next week, it seems like you cannot be one.

Furthermore, I've seen recently the repub candidates blast Obama for impeding the free market then blasting Romney for using the free market to gain wealth. Now they're blasting him for his donations to his church (something that repubs just a few years ago claimed was the cure for all food stamps and health care. Charities and churches would pick up the slack, right?

Lastly, repubs talk about being all about family values.... then they vote for Newt.

I seriously, have no clue how anyone can identify with that party anymore. What do they stand for? Guess it depends on the week...
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Thriller again.

I think the whole hating on Romney because he's a mormon is ridiculous. There are plenty of reasons to not like Romney. His religion is certainly not one of them.
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to The Thriller again.

I think the whole hating on Romney because he's a mormon is ridiculous. There are plenty of reasons to not like Romney. His religion is certainly not one of them.

This is what pissed me off about Huckabee in 2008. Guy is a religious bigot. "I didnt know the cross was behind me" ******** you bigot.
 
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