Get three good picks out of this draft

[Getting Traded]

After reading all the scenarios, I think we ought to max our take from this draft:

1. Trade Burke and 23 for a top-10 pick

2. Wink-wink Hayward trade post-draft to Celtics for their pick (might need additional second-round picks)

3. Plus our own fifth

With these we get Randle / Gordon, a PG maybe Smart, a shooter -- take your pick

Think it would be better to get 3 solid picks than trade assets to get one -- Parker

Discuss ...

 

[Jazz4ever]

For the millionth time the Jazz cannot trade Hayward. He and his agent will be sitting back waiting for the highest offer sheet, and if the Jazz match, they cannot trade him for 6 months.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Risking Joe Smith penalties. YAY! Hayward wouldn't go along with it anyway.

 

[enchilada_style]

Please stop.

 

[Getting Traded]

For the millionth time the Jazz cannot trade Hayward. He and his agent will be sitting back waiting for the highest offer sheet, and if the Jazz match, they cannot trade him for 6 months.

I thought they could do a sign and trade after the draft, but you're saying if the Jazz match, say Boston's offer, we can't trade him for 6 months. But what if Boston really wants him, maybe they won't make him an offer, so that we can sign and trade him, and they get him for less. We hold the upper hand on Hayward, right, so far as being able to Match? I'm not clear on the rules. He can't refuse if we Match, can he, because he's restricted?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I thought they could do a sign and trade after the draft, but you're saying if the Jazz match, say Boston's offer, we can't trade him for 6 months. But what if Boston really wants him, maybe they won't make him an offer, so that we can sign and trade him, and they get him for less. We hold the upper hand on Hayward, right, so far as being able to Match? I'm not clear on the rules. He can't refuse if we Match, can he, because he's restricted?

Sure they can sign and trade, but no deal would be struck before the draft since the Jazz can't even talk to Hayward. The going rate for sign and trades is not the sixth pick in an incredibly deep draft. Little incentive for Hayward to agree to such a thing unless he refuses to play in Utah. And what if Phoenix offers a better offer sheet?

 

[Getting Traded]

So, basically, the Jazz needed to sign him to an extension to execute the scenario I'm proposing ... at least that what seems to be the case unless I'm still misunderstanding the rules. But if someone could post a basic summary or link to the rules, it would be appreciated.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

So, basically, the Jazz needed to sign him to an extension to execute the scenario I'm proposing ... at least that what seems to be the case unless I'm still misunderstanding the rules. But if someone could post a basic summary or link to the rules, it would be appreciated.

Hayward is a free agent. Can't extend him. Can only extend 'til I believe Oct. 31 the NBA season year the contract expires.

 

[Ben10]

There are only 4 options that can happen with Hayward this summer and none of them can be done before the July 10th signing day. Nothing can even be talked about with Hayward until July 1.

Option #1. He signs a contract with the Jazz. Can not be traded for 6 months

Option #2. Signs a offer sheet with another team the Jazz don't match

Option #3. Signs a offer sheet with another team that the Jazz match. Can not be traded for 6 months

Option #4. Hayward and the Jazz agree to a sign a trade that can only be talked about with him after the July 1st FA opens up.

So Hayward can in no way be included into a draft day deal in any way.

 

[sgjazzfan]

The only option for trading Hayward for a pick is if someone (Celtics most likely) pick a player they know the Jazz value, and then offer him up for a trade once Free Agency begins. Hayward would then need to agree to the contract with the other team on July 1st and the other team would have to agree to send that player for Hayward. I don't see it happening, but I guess it is possible.

 

[Getting Traded]

The only option for trading Hayward for a pick is if someone (Celtics most likely) pick a player they know the Jazz value, and then offer him up for a trade once Free Agency begins. Hayward would then need to agree to the contract with the other team on July 1st and the other team would have to agree to send that player for Hayward. I don't see it happening, but I guess it is possible.

This was the answer I was looking for. It is possible. But why would the Celtics do it -- they could keep their pick and get Hayward too? And as Dark Wing said, Phoenix also could be in the mix. Just so much talk about Hayward leaving, there must be something to it. How do the Jazz get something for Hayward instead of losing him for nothing like they have Matthews and Millsap?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Trading the pick for Hayward would be possible after that point, and would guarantee that the Celtics get him instead of counting on the Jazz to not match. . . but I have a hard time seeing any team pick a guy that another team wants, keeping him on the roster until the trade/free agency moratorium has passed and then trading him months after he was drafted. Too many things can go wrong. Either they keep Hayward or they don't. I don't see them trading him.

 

[The Thriller]

Do we really want to get younger?

Do we really want 3 new rookies?

I would much rather have us combine resources to get us a much needed superstar.

 

[slc]

Hasn't DL and Rigby all but guaranteed trading the #23 for a vet?

 

[Coach Ellis]

Do we really want to get younger?

Do we really want 3 new rookies?

I would much rather have us combine resources to get us a much needed superstar.

That sounds great, but I'm not sure anyone trades out of the top 3 picks. I'm not as down on the Core5 guys as many others have been. I'd prefer to see them play for a new coach at least a year before we look to jettison them.

I'd be more than happy to see the Jazz burn picks to move up, but I'd prefer to see them just deal picks to do it. If they can't move up for Wiggins, Parker or Embiid, I'd rather see them sit tight at 5, take their highest rated player and then try to move up from 23 for another top 10 player if they can. While adding two or three new rookies might not be ideal, this team is building for the future, not to win right now. They're better off developing their young players for now, hoping one of the rookies is worth building around and the aggressively look to add another piece if they can. If Burke, Burks or Kanter actually takes a big step forward. . . all the better.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think that they can trade the farm based on potential. Gordon, Exum, Smart, Randle and Vonleh all have All star potential too. The Jazz need help all over the place. Draft well, and then take your shot when it presents itself. I'm not sure that it will this offseason.

 

[The Thriller]

That sounds great, but I'm not sure anyone trades out of the top 3 picks. I'm not as down on the Core5 guys as many others have been. I'd prefer to see them play for a new coach at least a year before we look to jettison them.

I'd be more than happy to see the Jazz burn picks to move up, but I'd prefer to see them just deal picks to do it. If they can't move up for Wiggins, Parker or Embiid, I'd rather see them sit tight at 5, take their highest rated player and then try to move up from 23 for another top 10 player if they can. While adding two or three new rookies might not be ideal, this team is building for the future, not to win right now. They're better off developing their young players for now, hoping one of the rookies is worth building around and the aggressively look to add another piece if they can. If Burke, Burks or Kanter actually takes a big step forward. . . all the better.

It's just my opinion, but I don't think that they can trade the farm based on potential. Gordon, Exum, Smart, Randle and Vonleh all have All star potential too. The Jazz need help all over the place. Draft well, and then take your shot when it presents itself. I'm not sure that it will this offseason.

If we can't move up using our picks then I'd like to see us trade at least 1 of them away.

We don't need 3 more rookies to go on this already uber young team.

 

[Kyoto]

Why are people all about trading Trey Burke? He's not Chris Paul or Steve Nash or even a top 10 pg right now, but he's still pretty good.

 

[Coach Ellis]

If we can't move up using our picks then I'd like to see us trade at least 1 of them away.

We don't need 3 more rookies to go on this already uber young team.

I hear what you're saying, but I wouldn't mind if they add three more rookies this year as long as they do it in a similar fashion to last year. If they stay at 5, then trade up from 23 (using 35) to get as high as possible (even if they throw in a future pick) to hopefully grab another top 10 player, and then buy a pick at the end of the 1st round using cash and future 2nd round picks. That's still 3 rookies, but it wouldn't be bad to add depth to the bench if you can land two top 10 guys and an overlooked player like Gobert to round it out.

I'd much rather see that result than staying at 5, 23 and 35. Fill out your team with young (cheap) players and improve your depth dramatically. See how the pieces fit with a new coach. Then look at adding veteran players through trades or free agency the following year. If they can't move up for a top 3 pick, that's how I'd try to play it.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Hayward isn't worthy of a top 10 draft pic if you trying to trad ehim to get into the top 10. Also take more then Burks and the 23rd pick to move into top 10. This is not nba live on your playstaion. God bless armchair gms

 

[Getting Traded]

Hayward isn't worthy of a top 10 draft pic if you trying to trad ehim to get into the top 10. Also take more then Burks and the 23rd pick to move into top 10. This is not nba live on your playstaion. God bless armchair gms

I'm not sure I'd trade Burks straight up for say a top 8-10 pick ... Hayward yes.

Btw, one of the websites discusses trading Hayward for a pick, though it doesn't make the distinction of the trade post-draft ... I would think a writer on a website would know he can't be traded until after the draft.