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I see what I said about Gobert is on the mark. The guy can be a force out there. He just needs more time.

And Burks, well like a few others on here, I've said all along that Burks has that elite speed and ability to be an elite player, better than Hayward. I said that the first year he came to the Jazz but few others agreed. I agree with those who believe that Corbin has been the problem with his development, and not that bringing him along slowly has helped.
 
Right now a good goal would be getting him about 8 minutes a game - probably 4 in the 2nd and 4 in the 3rd. Let him be the Chris Anderson/high energy type for the rest of the season. One or two dunks, one or two blocks. Gobert needs a lot of work in the team defense setting; which was made obvious last night (but then again so does the rest of the team) but I don't think he should have any more DNP's - CD.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
I see what I said about Gobert is on the mark. The guy can be a force out there. He just needs more time.

And Burks, well like a few others on here, I've said all along that Burks has that elite speed and ability to be an elite player, better than Hayward. I said that the first year he came to the Jazz but few others agreed. I agree with those who believe that Corbin has been the problem with his development, and not that bringing him along slowly has helped.
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I actually, I think Burks inability to play with teammates early in his career is what was to blame. I don't think we should ignore that Burks was terrible off the ball early in his career and is just now getting much better. If you can play, then you will play. Corbin deserves credit for helping Burks to play the right way through negative reinforcement. Some young players are handed too much too early and they never get rid of bad habits because of this. Burks is playing the right way right now and if you are going to blame Corbin for the problems early, then you also need to credit him for the success of late. It's not fair to operate otherwise.
 
Batman said:
I actually, I think Burks inability to play with teammates early in his career is what was to blame. I don't think we should ignore that Burks was terrible off the ball early in his career and is just now getting much better. If you can play, then you will play.
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Burks was "the man" at Colorado. I'm sure he was the man everywhere before that. He came to Utah and all of a sudden his minutes were sparse and sporadic. It's only natural for an immature kid to use what little opportunity he has to try to over do it and just play hero ball.

Corbin deserves credit for helping Burks to play the right way through negative reinforcement. Some young players are handed too much too early and they never get rid of bad habits because of this. Burks is playing the right way right now and if you are going to blame Corbin for the problems early, then you also need to credit him for the success of late. It's not fair to operate otherwise.
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You may be right; but I think this is a very loose connection between conduct and result. Players who never get rid of bad habits are either stubborn, stupid or victims of bad coaching.
 
Batman said:
I actually, I think Burks inability to play with teammates early in his career is what was to blame. I don't think we should ignore that Burks was terrible off the ball early in his career and is just now getting much better. If you can play, then you will play. Corbin deserves credit for helping Burks to play the right way through negative reinforcement. Some young players are handed too much too early and they never get rid of bad habits because of this. Burks is playing the right way right now and if you are going to blame Corbin for the problems early, then you also need to credit him for the success of late. It's not fair to operate otherwise.
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Burks barely was able to get minutes early in his career....
Maybe he felt like he had to shoot when he got the ball since his minutes were so limited (he IS. A scorer after all)
Maybe with more minutes he would have played more of a team game
 
Batman said:
I actually, I think Burks inability to play with teammates early in his career is what was to blame. I don't think we should ignore that Burks was terrible off the ball early in his career and is just now getting much better. If you can play, then you will play. Corbin deserves credit for helping Burks to play the right way through negative reinforcement. Some young players are handed too much too early and they never get rid of bad habits because of this. Burks is playing the right way right now and if you are going to blame Corbin for the problems early, then you also need to credit him for the success of late. It's not fair to operate otherwise.
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Wrong. Burks has shown that he can play earlier in his career, yet it still hasn't been enough at times to get the minutes he deserves. Take last year as an example:

Prior to the month of February, he was averaging about 13 minutes a game and regularly getting DNPCDs. In February, due to injury, he got 27 minutes per game - he responded by getting 10 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists in 27 minutes per game while shooting 46% FGs and 48% 3pt. How did Corbin reward him once the other guys got healthy? Back down to playing less than 20 minutes per game. Apparently your first comment I bolded is only true if your coach is forced, due to injury, to play you. You say Burks is playing the right way now - he was playing the right way last year at the AS break, yet once the ****ty vets got healthy, it was back to the bench for Burks. But nice try, batman - your post sounded like it made sense at first.
 
I get when posters say he is raw. Where some of them go wrong is when they say he is too raw to play this year.

His offensive game is unpolished, but I believe the tools are there. he is already able to alter the game, not with out mistakes, and able to positively contribute. He will only get better with time. He has the make up to be a defensive stopper, good rebounder,
and good finisher down low. This year is the perfect year to give him minutes off the bench.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Wrong. Burks has shown that he can play earlier in his career, yet it still hasn't been enough at times to get the minutes he deserves. Take last year as an example:

Prior to the month of February, he was averaging about 13 minutes a game and regularly getting DNPCDs. In February, due to injury, he got 27 minutes per game - he responded by getting 10 pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists in 27 minutes per game while shooting 46% FGs and 48% 3pt. How did Corbin reward him once the other guys got healthy? Back down to playing less than 20 minutes per game. Apparently your first comment I bolded is only true if your coach is forced, due to injury, to play you. You say Burks is playing the right way now - he was playing the right way last year at the AS break, yet once the ****ty vets got healthy, it was back to the bench for Burks. But nice try, batman - your post sounded like it made sense at first.
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You make some good points, but I do not totally agree. In Alec's first year, he struggled to play with teammates. He got to the line and all, but he also would put his head down and just go to the rim. As previously stated, he was still in that mold of playing how he had played at Colorado. His defense was also suspect. The problem early on was that Burks played outside the system. And I distinctly remember Burks having a few games where he put up great numbers, but they came in garbage time. Hayward has played consistently since his rookie year only because he played within the Alfense (haha). Are we to say Corbin is partial toward Hayward and does not like Burks and therefore did not play him? I think Corbin is more logical than that and I give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to be a good dude with the intellectual capacity to reason.

Here's the truth: Alec Burks did not know how to play within the offense. and perhaps we are forgetting that early on , he had some dreadful games as far as decision making goes. At this point, I think the only thing that completely baffles me in regards to Corbin decisions on playing time is how much time he allotted to Josh Howard. Though I might not agree with some of his other choices on playing time, I can at least understand why he chose to go that way. Corbin gets hammered for everything he does and to be honest, he doesn't deserve all of it. He's never praised for any good thing he does and I just don't think that's fair. I think he has made some great adjustments and implementations with the offense.
 
Batman said:
You make some good points, but I do not totally agree. In Alec's first year, he struggled to play with teammates. He got to the line and all, but he also would put his head down and just go to the rim. As previously stated, he was still in that mold of playing how he had played at Colorado. His defense was also suspect. The problem early on was that Burks played outside the system. And I distinctly remember Burks having a few games where he put up great numbers, but they came in garbage time. Hayward has played consistently since his rookie year only because he played within the Alfense (haha). Are we to say Corbin is partial toward Hayward and does not like Burks and therefore did not play him? I think Corbin is more logical than that and I give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to be a good dude with the intellectual capacity to reason.

Here's the truth: Alec Burks did not know how to play within the offense. and perhaps we are forgetting that early on , he had some dreadful games as far as decision making goes. At this point, I think the only thing that completely baffles me in regards to Corbin decisions on playing time is how much time he allotted to Josh Howard. Though I might not agree with some of his other choices on playing time, I can at least understand why he chose to go that way. Corbin gets hammered for everything he does and to be honest, he doesn't deserve all of it. He's never praised for any good thing he does and I just don't think that's fair. I think he has made some great adjustments and implementations with the offense.
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First off...... at colorado burks was a great scorer.... but also had nice assist numbers and rebound numbers.

Secondly, in his first few years when he actually got some minutes im sure he felt the need to show what he could do, and what he does best is score.... so that is exactly what he should have been doing in those limited minutes.

I believe that if he was getting good consistent minutes in his first two years then he would not have felt the need to ball hog and would have played more of a good team game like you are talking about.
 
Sophmore year at colorado..... 20 pts per game..... 3 assists.... 6.5 rebounds per game in 31 minutes.

46 percent from the field.
 
Jabari averages 1.3 assists and wiggins averages 1.6 assists and both score less points per game than alec.
 
Batman said:
You make some good points, but I do not totally agree. In Alec's first year, he struggled to play with teammates. He got to the line and all, but he also would put his head down and just go to the rim. As previously stated, he was still in that mold of playing how he had played at Colorado. His defense was also suspect. The problem early on was that Burks played outside the system. And I distinctly remember Burks having a few games where he put up great numbers, but they came in garbage time. Hayward has played consistently since his rookie year only because he played within the Alfense (haha). Are we to say Corbin is partial toward Hayward and does not like Burks and therefore did not play him? I think Corbin is more logical than that and I give him the benefit of the doubt because he seems to be a good dude with the intellectual capacity to reason.

Here's the truth: Alec Burks did not know how to play within the offense. and perhaps we are forgetting that early on , he had some dreadful games as far as decision making goes. At this point, I think the only thing that completely baffles me in regards to Corbin decisions on playing time is how much time he allotted to Josh Howard. Though I might not agree with some of his other choices on playing time, I can at least understand why he chose to go that way. Corbin gets hammered for everything he does and to be honest, he doesn't deserve all of it. He's never praised for any good thing he does and I just don't think that's fair. I think he has made some great adjustments and implementations with the offense.
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You Corbin lovers have very short memories. I recall Burks being set for his breakout year last year and even some pundits were saying. He looked good in summer league and then when the season started, he continually got DNPs -- wtf is up with that I was thinking. It is one of the reason I have such emnity for Corbin. He does not know how to instill confidence in his players and negative reinforcement is almost never a good way to teach anyone anything, unless you're a dog ... ring that bell, Pavlov.
 
Non, je ne veux pas regarder Rudy Gobert dans le terrain car il est straight up sucks et il est trop brut.

Mais c'est amusant de voir lui tromper dans le terrain. Vous savez, c'est la saison danslaquelle on tanque.

Français niveau b2.
 
Gobert needs to work on his man-to-man defense. I think he's a much better zone defender at this point and he gets overly-aggressive playing man and gets called for the foul. I think he needs to gain some weight and get some playing time to help remedy this.

I hope we get to keep him long-term and he doesn't bolt to another team - the guy has a lot of potential and he shows flashes of awesome; and his dunce-cap flashes are mainly because he's a rookie who sometimes gets confused.
 
Dude needs a sandwich more than he needs minutes right now. I think he's got potential to be like Tag-plus, possibly Eaton-like if he really hits the weights (Eaton was one of those man-mountains who was just freakishly big and wide). The advantage he has over Tag is he seems to really want to play every time he gets on the floor. He's just going to have to bulk up a little and learn to play at an NBA pace (ie not reacting to a pass after it has already gone through his hands and out of bounds). Looks promising to me, though... FWIW.
 
Ostertag and Eaton would have a harder time playing in today's NBA which is dominated by athletic players, not to mention the rule changes that have taken away contact. Gobert has an advantage because he's fairly mobile. I'm thrilled with what he's shown this far, especially his DESIRE to play. It was great that he expressed some frustration over being sent down, But then he went and showed off his skills. Everyone knew he was raw; that's why he was available in the 20's instead of being a lottery pick. Give him a couple of years and I think it will be acknowledged Utah got the steal of the draft.
 
Core4 said:
Ostertag and Eaton would have a harder time playing in today's NBA which is dominated by athletic players, not to mention the rule changes that have taken away contact. Gobert has an advantage because he's fairly mobile. I'm thrilled with what he's shown this far, especially his DESIRE to play. It was great that he expressed some frustration over being sent down, But then he went and showed off his skills. Everyone knew he was raw; that's why he was available in the 20's instead of being a lottery pick. Give him a couple of years and I think it will be acknowledged Utah got the steal of the draft.
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You better forget about that. He will be a steal for sure but the biggest steal of this draft is Giannis aka "The Greek Freak".
 
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