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Even if Global Warming is a lie, isn't it a good lie? We should kind of be concerned about environmental health now and not have the attitude of "we will fix it later when it's beyond ****ed".
 
King Cy said:
Even if Global Warming is a lie, isn't it a good lie? We should kind of be concerned about environmental health now and not have the attitude of "we will fix it later when it's beyond ****ed".
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Yes and no. If false and environmentalists keep calling out wolf then people will starting ignoring them for the many other issues hurting our planet.

Again, if false, how many billions of dollars have we wasted that could have been used for other efforts?
 
King Cy said:
Even if Global Warming is a lie, isn't it a good lie? We should kind of be concerned about environmental health now and not have the attitude of "we will fix it later when it's beyond ****ed".
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Lies aren't good. I agree that we should be concerned about environmental health. Our actions should be based on the truth.
 
King Cy said:
Even if Global Warming is a lie, isn't it a good lie? We should kind of be concerned about environmental health now and not have the attitude of "we will fix it later when it's beyond ****ed".
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BTW, I've heard religious people make similar arguments. Are you okay with throwing the basis for science out the window in order to lead to the conclusions you want?
 
King Cy said:
If it means improving the state of our environment? Sure.
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That's a stupid way to look at things. Acting on misinformation will never produce better solutions than the opposite in the long run.

Not that I'm saying global warming is misinformation.
 
I with cy. I think caring about the environment is a good thing no matter what. Even if global warming isn't real (though I think it is real)

I mean I like to keep my house clean even if I don't have mice.
 
fishonjazz said:
I with cy. I think caring about the environment is a good thing no matter what. Even if global warming isn't real (though I think it is real)

I mean I like to keep my house clean even if I don't have mice.
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Think about this for just a couple of minutes. If global warming is NOT real, but the world moves forward as if it is, what would be done? Think about this seriously, not with the mentality that all will happen is holding hands and singing Kumbaya while the world switches to clean renewables and live happily ever after.

Think of people attempting geoengineering projects to cool down a non-warming Earth. Think of hundreds of billions in unnecessary taxation to build walls to stop the non-existent rise in ocean level. Think of the effect of imposing measures that stunt growth of developing countries. Think about the state of the environment now, compared to the 1950s for example. Why is our air and water cleaner than ever? Is the developing world walking down a similar path?

Why would acting on a falsehood produce real results? Why would it produce better results than acting on real information?

Just spend a few minutes thinking about it at a deeper level than "pollution is bad, so if we lie about the extent of the threat we'll get less pollution and live better".
 
Siro said:
Think about this for just a couple of minutes. If global warming is NOT real, but the world moves forward as if it is, what would be done? Think about this seriously, not with the mentality that all will happen is holding hands and singing Kumbaya while the world switches to clean renewables and live happily ever after.

Think of people attempting geoengineering projects to cool down a non-warming Earth. Think of hundreds of billions in unnecessary taxation to build walls to stop the non-existent rise in ocean level. Think of the effect of imposing measures that stunt growth of developing countries. Think about the state of the environment now, compared to the 1950s for example. Why is our air and water cleaner than ever? Is the developing world walking down a similar path?

Why would acting on a falsehood produce real results? Why would it produce better results than acting on real information?

Just spend a few minutes thinking about it at a deeper level than "pollution is bad, so if we lie about the extent of the threat we'll get less pollution and live better".
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I have not heard about allot of the stuff you are speaking of. I think that we care about the environment and worry about global warming means that we rely less on oil and try to use clean renewable energy, recycle more and stuff like that.

I have not heard about governments doing things to cool the earth or building barriers to stop rising water levels (that might be a good idea anyways since tsunamis and hurricanes do occur regardless of global warming)
 
Siro said:
Think about this for just a couple of minutes. If global warming is NOT real, but the world moves forward as if it is, what would be done? Think about this seriously, not with the mentality that all will happen is holding hands and singing Kumbaya while the world switches to clean renewables and live happily ever after.

Think of people attempting geoengineering projects to cool down a non-warming Earth. Think of hundreds of billions in unnecessary taxation to build walls to stop the non-existent rise in ocean level. Think of the effect of imposing measures that stunt growth of developing countries. Think about the state of the environment now, compared to the 1950s for example. Why is our air and water cleaner than ever? Is the developing world walking down a similar path?

Why would acting on a falsehood produce real results? Why would it produce better results than acting on real information?

Just spend a few minutes thinking about it at a deeper level than "pollution is bad, so if we lie about the extent of the threat we'll get less pollution and live better".
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This is a very intelligent response as usual. Your scientific approach has consistently impressed me. For these reasons I would be extremely interested in hearing your reaction to the video in the OP.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have not heard about allot of the stuff you are speaking of. I think that we care about the environment and worry about global warming means that we rely less on oil and try to use clean renewable energy, recycle more and stuff like that.

I have not heard about governments doing things to cool the earth or building barriers to stop rising water levels (that might be a good idea anyways since tsunamis and hurricanes do occur regardless of global warming)
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Recycling, renewable energy, and reducing pollution are good things regardless of whether the world is warming. If the earth is warming tho, tougher measures are needed. Didn't you read the first posts in this thread? They say it is a threat comparable to global nuclear war. A real existential threat! This isn't something that you tackle by introducing fuel efficiency regulation as if you're simply interested in a clean environment, you tackle it by doing things like:

https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2030804,00.html

or this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_fertilization

Also, for your comment about walls being a good idea because of hurricanes, I'd really LOVE to see public reaction to the economic measures required to counter GW if those scientists are correct. It'll be entertaining given how the public reacts now to $4/gallon at the pump. :)
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
This is a very intelligent response as usual. Your scientific approach has consistently impressed me. For these reasons I would be extremely interested in hearing your reaction to the video in the OP.
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I'm with family now, but will probably be free this evening. If so, I'll give it a go.
 
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