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spycam1 said:
And they'll get a better return if they trade him now, not next season. The waiting game is not going to help them.

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If that's the case then 29 other GM's realize this and will play the waiting game.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Nah... Jazz ****ed up with Kanter. Jefferson should've been traded in the 2012 offseason, or the trade deadline in 2013 at the latest.

Let's rewind for a second there. It was obvious Jefferson wasn't a championship piece, or even really a playoff piece by that time. Even if the argument was simply contract window and age. Furthermore and just as importantly, Favors and Kanter were playing at levels deserving of reward. The Jazz were so logjammed that they couldn't give Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter the minutes they deserved. The Jazz also weren't that good, and their only bet was to bring along their young players the right way and see what players they already could still work. Millsap can play with anybody AND is a very good player, Jefferson causes all kinds of lineup issues with his inability to guard in space, provide spacing on offense, or hurt the other team with his passing ability, so it's an easy choice if they want to keep one and preserve the idea of not tanking. Furthermore, Jefferson is a slacker and a defeatist. Even though he was absolutely right about the Jazz not really having a chance after being down 3-0 to the Spurs, that's simply not how a leader talks. Very revealing as to his character.

Kanter shows up in 2012 in great shape, hustles hard, runs the floor, produces, and you can see noticeable improvement in every facet of his game. How was he rewarded? The same 10 minute rotation slot he had the year before. The same sub rotation regardless of his performance or the performance of those ahead of him on the depth chart. Kanter's psyche isn't made from granite, he is not true superstar material, but an INTELLIGENT operation knows that it's in their best interest to put those players in the best position to succeed. The Jazz ultimately ignored that, and they paid for it. Twice, actually, because they passed on Reggie Jackson because they didn't want to deal with it. Just like they didn't want to deal with Kanter. As much as anything you can say about this organization, you can say they don't want to deal with the human beings on their teams, at pretty much any cost. At least since the Deron trade.

FOR THE RECORD, I am obviously not excusing Kanter's behavior, but there was a window where I think he could've blossomed and the Jazz didn't give a ****. All for the sake of feeding Ty Corbin and Drunk Al. Holy ****.
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Eh...he was only short changed in his second year. He got what he deserved minute wise every other year. 27 minutes a game his last two years here. He was a lazy, low IQ, immature player. He is getting all of 20 minutes a game in OKC behind the talented juggernaut Steven Adams. If Durant and Westbrook walk, Kanter will become a tank commander for the ages for them.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Would you trade Hayward to Boston for the unprotected Nets pick right now?
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Nah. The only player in this draft I'm absolutely confident will be better than Hayward is Simmons, and he'll undoubtedly go #1, which the Nets' pick will only give us a slim chance of landing.

They'd have to give us more than just the pick. I'm sure Hayward could land us a better deal than one draft pick, even if it is top 5.

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spycam1 said:
Nah. The only player in this draft I'm absolutely confident will be better than Hayward is Simmons, and he'll undoubtedly go #1, which the Nets' pick will only give us a slim chance of landing.

They'd have to give us more than just the pick. I'm sure Hayward could land us a better deal than one draft pick, even if it is top 5.

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What if they threw in Jae crowder and we threw in our pick (lottery protected)?
 
dalamon said:
For the record my main desire to sign Teague isn't even for the wins-- it's mainly to persuade Hayward to hang around.


We really, really can't afford to lose him like we were losing DWill.
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I don't think the issue this time is whether he'll hang around. I think it's more "How much do we want to offer him?".


DWill would have been worth the MAX but I don't know if Hayward is worth the "new MAX" deal when the cap goes up.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Why not?
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A. I don't think the Jazz get value back vs. just re-signing him.

B. I don't think Hayward is done developing. Brad Stevens turns him into a star if we let him and then the Jazz can look back at messing it up like they have with other star players recently.
 
Ellis269 said:
A. I don't think the Jazz get value back vs. just re-signing him.

B. I don't think Hayward is done developing. Brad Stevens turns him into a star if we let him and then the Jazz can look back at messing it up like they have with other star players recently.
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um, who?
 
I highly doubt the guy who drive a Honda Accord for years as a rookie will pass up on all the extra money we can offer... I first got nervous because of the sign and trade rules but the new rules will cost Gordon a lot of cash. It's not like we have a terrible basketball situation here.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I don't think the issue this time is whether he'll hang around. I think it's more "How much do we want to offer him?".


DWill would have been worth the MAX but I don't know if Hayward is worth the "new MAX" deal when the cap goes up.
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He's absolutely worth it... Great player makes others better and improves every year... He's not KD or Lebron but he's top 30 for sure.
 
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