Gobert Getting Mad Love on REALGM

[freakazoid]

Yeah that Atlanta gig is so awesome that there are two possible buyers wanting to relocate that team to Seattle. Even when they play well, that city is a mess for basketball. It is long past time that they moved the NBA out of there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Millsap cash out. We just won't have the money to pay him unless we figure the Kanter thing out.

You might be right. I recently read an article about how most NBA players value a rich team history over winning all the time. When asked how important starting was, most players where adamant that they'd rather come off the bench for a lottery team with a good crowd, that start on a contender where it wasn't as loud. TBH, I'm a little surprised Millsap hasn't tried to force a trade back to Utah by now. He has to be suffering.

 

[framer]

You might be right. I recently read an article about how most NBA players value a rich team history over winning all the time. When asked how important starting was, most players where adamant that they'd rather come off the bench for a lottery team with a good crowd, that start on a contender where it wasn't as loud. TBH, I'm a little surprised Millsap hasn't tried to force a trade back to Utah by now. He has to be suffering.

I don't think Millsap is coming to Utah. I'm just not convinced that anyone actually stays in Atlanta. Name anyone who screams "Atlanta Hawks" to you outside of Dominique Wilkins.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Yeah that Atlanta gig is so awesome that there are two possible buyers wanting to relocate that team to Seattle. Even when they play well, that city is a mess for basketball. It is long past time that they moved the NBA out of there. I wouldn't be surprised to see Millsap cash out. We just won't have the money to pay him unless we figure the Kanter thing out.

Anyone know the rules for rescindng a qualifying offer and for picking up (or not) the option year on a contract? If contracts can't be officially signed until July 10th, but negotiations can begin on July 1st, it seems the Jazz would have 10 days to see if they can get Millsap or another comparable FA to sign with them before they'd have to officially commit to Enes. If Millsap, they'd likely have to not give Kanter a QO AND not pick up the option on Booker. With other FA's, they could promise their MLE and still keep Enes and Booker.

The main reason I give Utah even a chance at landing Paul or DMC is Quin Snyder. As the assistant coach, he would have worked the closest with both of them. Add those two to Utah and the Jazz are in the playoffs.

 

[freakazoid]

I don't think Millsap is coming to Utah. I'm just not convinced that anyone actually stays in Atlanta. Name anyone who screams "Atlanta Hawks" to you outside of Dominique Wilkins.

I think you underestimate being part of something like where Atlanta is right now. They have the best record in the East. I don't know about anybody else, but if I was a player like Sap who had been on a lot of mediocre/bad teams, I'd want to hold on to that situation as long as I could. This has to be the best season of his career by far, and I'm not talking about personal performance.

 

[prodigy]

Mark Eaton was at the Ute game the other day, Eaton didn't do much offensively but he did have a sweeping hook shot he'd take every once in a while. If Rudy can develop a hook shot I'd feel a lot better about him. Right now it's just all dunks and layups.

 

[Julie Greengiant]

I don't know what kind of asset you could have gotten for an underperforming undersized power forward on the last year of his deal. A second round pick? Teams aren't giving up a lot for expirings anymore. Maybe that's worth it but I'm convinced that most people have an inflated view of second round picks right now.

 

[b_line]

I don't know what kind of asset you could have gotten for an underperforming undersized power forward on the last year of his deal. A second round pick? Teams aren't giving up a lot for expirings anymore. Maybe that's worth it but I'm convinced that most people have an inflated view of second round picks right now.

Are you saying Millsap was underperforming?

 

[Hedda Gambler]

Anyone know the rules for rescindng a qualifying offer and for picking up (or not) the option year on a contract? If contracts can't be officially signed until July 10th, but negotiations can begin on July 1st, it seems the Jazz would have 10 days to see if they can get Millsap or another comparable FA to sign with them before they'd have to officially commit to Enes. If Millsap, they'd likely have to not give Kanter a QO AND not pick up the option on Booker. With other FA's, they could promise their MLE and still keep Enes and Booker.
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Sorry, won`t work:

"In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 30."

 

[veji1]

I think you underestimate being part of something like where Atlanta is right now. They have the best record in the East. I don't know about anybody else, but if I was a player like Sap who had been on a lot of mediocre/bad teams, I'd want to hold on to that situation as long as I could. This has to be the best season of his career by far, and I'm not talking about personal performance.

+lots.

So many players play for countless years for mediocre teams with no perspective, it must feel like groundhog day where you go to the next game, lose it more than often, than to the next one, and the next one, and the next season, and the next one, and boom you have spent 5/7 years in no man's land.... For a player to suddenly find himself in a winning situation where he can genuinely hope to perform in the playoffs with his group is a massive change, particularly when he feels he is part of the core, at the heart of the adventure. You rarely go away from that willingly. You do it only if you get massive financial offers or are lured by the quality of life of a few exceptional locations (LA, NY, Florida...). My bet would be that barring a crazy max offer from somewhere (very unlikely), he signs that biggish longish contract with Atlanta, something like 48mils/4 years.

 

[JazzForLifee]

he is 22. He is already dominating the game. What will he be in 3~4 years?

 

[Stifle Tower]

Sorry, won`t work:

"In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player between the day following the last game of the NBA Finals and June 30."

But what are the rules for rescinding a qualifying offer? I can find several instances of teams withdrawing the QO during July. Wondering if it has to be by mutual consent or does a team have a window to do so unilaterally.

 

[Stifle Tower]

+lots.

So many players play for countless years for mediocre teams with no perspective, it must feel like groundhog day where you go to the next game, lose it more than often, than to the next one, and the next one, and the next season, and the next one, and boom you have spent 5/7 years in no man's land.... For a player to suddenly find himself in a winning situation where he can genuinely hope to perform in the playoffs with his group is a massive change, particularly when he feels he is part of the core, at the heart of the adventure. You rarely go away from that willingly. You do it only if you get massive financial offers or are lured by the quality of life of a few exceptional locations (LA, NY, Florida...). My bet would be that barring a crazy max offer from somewhere (very unlikely), he signs that biggish longish contract with Atlanta, something like 48mils/4 years.

That is neither big nor long. Atlanta is up for sale. They don't even have a GM (IINM, Ferry was suspended). Quality of life can also be where you built friendships over the course of 7 years. It can be where your brother plays, where you have ties to several coaches, including the one who worked with you closely the previous season. I'm not saying it's likely, just that it's possible. There are many factors that might lure Paul to Utah. And many that would keep him with the Hawks.