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Gobert should start

bumping this again on Day 1. Let's see Favors and Gobert work it out.

Favors looks comfortable at the high post and on the baselines... maybe that's enough spacing for cutters?
Also, Favs and Gobert had some nice interior passes to one another this preseason.

It's the future. Let's have it.
 
Rudys passing is very encouraging for sure.

I still think kanter is going to be really good from the outside and space the floor for our offense.
 
Fish, I'm really losing confidence in Kanter. He may have good shooting form but he can only shoot his jumper when he's wide open and it seems whenever there's someone contesting it, it alters the way he shoots and it's off the mark. His inability to play help D tonight also was part of the reason they were getting all those open 3's. Both Rudy and Booker make the Jazz a better team right now. I don't know if Kanter is ever going to turn it around.
 
If Gobert starts we are still going have the same problems if a team goes small and spreads the floor with shooters. Booker should start.
 
I'd at least like to see the Jazz try Gobert and Favors together, but I agree that it looks like Booker is going to earn EVERY penny of that contract.
 
I think Booker should start and Rudy should should take most of Kanter's minutes. Maybe the only reason Kanter is getting significant minutes is because they are trying to shop him.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
It's always funny to me when people act like there was defense being played in the 80s. Nobody played a lick of defense until Detroit showed that by playing defense you could beat more talented teams like the Lakers and Celtics - teams that had always been able to win by just out-scoring everybody. The Bulls, with Jordan and Pippen knew they had to defend in order to beat the Pistons and by the time the Bulls beat the Lakers in 91, NBA teams knew they'd better figure it out and that is what led to the mid-90s ugliness you mention above.
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ARE YOU SERIOUS??? Defense was not only the concentration of a team strategy back in the 80's but the ref's would also let them play it. Defense was much more implemented back then. If you went to back down in the post, your defender could put his elbows into your ribs. If you grabbed a rebound you threw elbows to clear space and if you clipped someone in the process, you still played!!! There weren't the whistles like there are today. Today is an outside to inside game (in that order). There is no middle range. Middle range is where teams from back then developed their offense, its also where defense needs to be played.
In the 80's there was so much physical contact that they changed the rules to the rules we have today to protect the players a little more. I can't even believe I'm reading this.
 
GVC said:
1. Defense in the 1980s was hilariously non-existent. It's the biggest reason I can't stand watching basketball from that era; getting open shots was incredibly easy. It was the defense and overall physicality in the mid-1990s that forced the NBA to make rule changes to open the game up.

2. Maybe "scrub" is a bit strong. Still, I find it hard to believe that Eaton would do well against most matchups he'd face in today's NBA. He's a less mobile, less skilled Hibbert. He played in a post-centric era, where his strengths far outweighed his weaknesses. I don't think that would be the case now.
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Your crazy to think that defense was non existent in the 80's NBA. Here is a list of the best defensive players both retired and active.
Rank Player DWS
1. Bill Russell* 133.64
2. Tim Duncan 98.11
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 94.49
4. Hakeem Olajuwon* 94.47
5. Wilt Chamberlain* 93.92
6. Karl Malone* 92.41
7. Kevin Garnett 89.23
8. Elvin Hayes* 83.65
9. Patrick Ewing* 81.42
10. David Robinson* 80.14
11. Jason Kidd 75.14
12. John Havlicek* 74.09
13. Robert Parish* 72.98
14. Ben Wallace 70.58
15. Dikembe Mutombo 68.53
16. Scottie Pippen* 67.29
17. Shaquille O'Neal 66.36
18. John Stockton* 64.93
19. Michael Jordan* 64.13
20. Wes Unseld* 64.11
21. Charles Oakley 63.34
22. Nate Thurmond* 62.23
23. Buck Williams 61.79
24. Jack Sikma 60.69
25. Shawn Marion 60.33
26. Paul Pierce 59.14
27. Larry Bird* 59.03
28. Rasheed Wallace 57.12
29. Dolph Schayes* 56.15
30. Dwight Howard 55.95
31. Clifford Robinson 55.89
32. Dave Cowens* 55.83
33. Marcus Camby 54.89
34. Dennis Rodman* 54.46
35. Moses Malone* 54.36
36. Charles Barkley* 53.91
37. Dirk Nowitzki 53.14
38. Vlade Divac 52.90
39. Shawn Kemp 52.17
40. Paul Silas 51.74

As you can see there a quite a few 80's players.

Team strategies were focused on defense back then. The rules allowed them to play hard defense without being penalized with a foul. Big men cleared space by throwing elbows. Guards/forwards though twice about driving in because they could be hammered to the floor. I have to ask, did you watch basketball in the 80's?
 
GVC said:
On the defensive end, bigs have to be a lot more mobile with the changes to the hand checking rules. Guards need a lot more help on pick and rolls.

On the offensive end, with changes to illegal defense rules, and the way teams load up on the strong side and pack the paint, it's a lot harder to hide a player who can't consistently hit a jump shot.

FWIW, I think college teams today would be pretty competitive in the NBA of the 1980s.
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"college teams of today" is pretty broad. Could you be more specific, with "college teams of today" as well as NBA teams of the 80's?? Do you have any idea how many college teams there are now and were then? There were good teams of then and bad, as that goes for NBA teams. I could say that I am going to die anytime between tomorrow, and 2073 and I have a pretty good case that I won't be wrong.
 
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