God and Country

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At least no one will question your commitment to sticking with this stupid idea to the bitter end.

At least no one will confuse you with someone who knows American history, or someone who has his fingers on the pulse of our current moment……you have added nothing relevant to this thread, beyond your own ignorance, of course…..

“Our Country Is Destined to be the Great Nation of Futurity”: John L. O’Sullivan’s Manifest Destiny and Christian Nationalism, 1837–1846

As founding editor of the United States Magazine and Democratic Review, John L. O’Sullivan (1813–1895) preached a particular form of Christian nationalism that centered on expansionist fever occurring during the 1830s and 1840s. O’Sullivan’s Christian nationalism was known as “Manifest Destiny”...

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The Roots of Christian Nationalism Go Back Further Than You Think

"To fully understand the deep roots of today’s white Christian nationalism, we need to go back at least to 1493."

time.com

Christian Nationalism: How Evangelical Christianity became a Political Religion

What's the difference between Christianity and Christian Nationalism? The scary reality: Most evangelicals don't know the difference.

www.restorativefaith.org

Christian Nationalism

www.wolverton-mountain.com

 

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At least no one will confuse you with someone who knows American history, or someone who has his fingers on the pulse of our current moment……you have added nothing relevant to this thread, beyond your own ignorance, of course…..

“Our Country Is Destined to be the Great Nation of Futurity”: John L. O’Sullivan’s Manifest Destiny and Christian Nationalism, 1837–1846

As founding editor of the United States Magazine and Democratic Review, John L. O’Sullivan (1813–1895) preached a particular form of Christian nationalism that centered on expansionist fever occurring during the 1830s and 1840s. O’Sullivan’s Christian nationalism was known as “Manifest Destiny”...

www.mdpi.com

The Roots of Christian Nationalism Go Back Further Than You Think

"To fully understand the deep roots of today’s white Christian nationalism, we need to go back at least to 1493."

time.com

Christian Nationalism: How Evangelical Christianity became a Political Religion

What's the difference between Christianity and Christian Nationalism? The scary reality: Most evangelicals don't know the difference.

www.restorativefaith.org

Christian Nationalism

www.wolverton-mountain.com

I don't think you know the difference between intellectualism and indulging a bias. The first article you posted this morning said forgiveness is evidence of Christian Nationalism. That is retarded. It isn't in the same zip code as intellectualism. Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy.

 

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To sum up, here you are advocating for anti-intellectualism. Here you are saying: “we should never be educated about aspects of American history that I have declared stupid”.

Never said Trump and Musk, et al, were “religious”. Are they willing to cynically use the public’s belief in Christian nationalism to their advantage? What do you think, lol.

In the end, I really have no idea why you mounted the type of attack and response to a thread noting the existence of Christian nationalism in the United States, and an integral part of American self image, for millions of my fellow citizens. Not sure what you have attacked ideas rooted in the cultural history of the United States, rooted in the American Experience, and how the ideas rooted in Christian nationalism are present in culture today. Pervasive to a degree, in fact.

I just think you demonstrate an anti-intellectualism, a visceral objection to learning, that is disgusting. And once again, nothing you said in this thread has anything to do with the subject of the thread.

The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.

 

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I don't think you know the difference between intellectualism and indulging a bias. The first article you posted this morning said forgiveness is evidence of Christian Nationalism. That is retarded. It isn't in the same zip code as intellectualism. Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy.

Wow, not just ignorant, but also cannot admit when he’s wrong. That’s pretty cowardly.

 

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The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.

True, but he gave me the opportunity to flesh out the role of Christian nationalism in our past, and our present. I certainly don’t mind adding that to this thread, even if it was in answer to a troll.

Remarkably, he thinks it’s news that Trump isn’t really religious, therefore Christian nationalism is nothing. Not realizing there is no logic at all in that argument. So he’s not even smart enough to be logical anymore. But, in fact, it was because he was too cowardly to admit he was mistaken.

As soon as he replied to me this morning, I knew he had just made a fool out of himself. Believe me, I was looking forward to furthering both information for the thread(and nobody has to add or reply to it. It’s simply another important element in the MAGA view of America in 2025), as well as furthering the understanding that he was making a fool out of himself with his replies in this thread.

Think I didn’t enjoy doing both? lol. He is such an intellectual pipsqueak!

Our Christian president:

 

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Support for Christian Nationalism in All 50 States: Findings from PRRI’s 2023 American Values Atlas

In 2023, PRRI interviewed more than 22,000 adults to estimate support for Christian nationalism in all 50 states. Roughly three in ten Americans qualify as Christian nationalism Adherents or…

www.prri.org

View: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156642544/more-than-half-of-republicans-support-christian-nationalism-according-to-a-new-s

 

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Now you're posting articles detailing events that happened in 1493, because Christian Nationalism! So long as it isn't hurting someone else, keep doing whatever make you happy

They were posted so you, or obviously anyone reading the thread, could be a bit more educated in the subject. Both in American history, it’s a fundamental theme from the Puritans onward, and its very real visibility within America today, especially among Republicans. Obviously, you could not handle those facts. Well, have I not called you anti-education? I have, and you just proved it. And your silly reply above, really reads like someone who knows he’s been educated, whether he wanted to be or not(and you don’t), and really does not know how to squiggle out of his embarrassment. Hence the above. Be better.


View: https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1551705165983621120

 

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Support for Christian Nationalism in All 50 States: Findings from PRRI’s 2023 American Values Atlas

In 2023, PRRI interviewed more than 22,000 adults to estimate support for Christian nationalism in all 50 states. Roughly three in ten Americans qualify as Christian nationalism Adherents or…

www.prri.org

View: https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156642544/more-than-half-of-republicans-support-christian-nationalism-according-to-a-new-s

Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship? Is it because they can’t fathom being under the boot of oppression? They do know that president AOC can do anything Trump does and more, right? Is it because Trump sells them what they want? Is there something sick with American Christianity that has made the soil of fertile, ready for the seeds of fascism to grow?

 

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Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship?

We don't. That is why we voted out the political party who demonstrated being a threat to democracy by throwing out their democratic nomination process to install a figurehead atop the ticket. Thanks to the American people engaging to throw the bad apples out of power, there will be an election in 2028.

 

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The odd thing to me, in seeing this thread basically declared, by one individual, irrelevant in 2025, is that, if one considers the title, God and Country, one might be hard pressed to find a more persistent theme in American history. Variations from the earliest days to the present. To decline to look at the concept/politicised religion of Christian nationalism today, as being another pulse of that theme, God and Country, seems both lame and an inexplicable lapse in understanding our society, in the present moment. Why? Why would one be so adverse to learning something that is indeed highly relevant in the American society of 2025? So to see the extreme version of Christian nationalism in vogue today, one is really just seeing a most recent iteration of that very theme, God and Country. Christian nationalism is a notable component in today’s MAGA movement, and among Republicans in general. It is part of our present moment, and it is embedded in our culture wars. It’s very relevant, indeed. That doesn’t mean it must interest everyone, people are free to ignore the thread…..

My posting this thread was challenged as being meaningless. But, it gave me the opportunity to elaborate. And that’s a good thing.




View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRTZZ1IDCGg

 

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The "why" is that he is a troll, nothing more. There is zero depth to his thinking or rhetoric beyond trying to get a rise out of people, and he has succeeded here in spades. You have some great posts here, but aimed at someone who cannot and will not absorb what you are saying beyond figuring out how he can twist it to keep you on the hook.

*cough*troll*cough*

 

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Why do Americans on the right want a dictatorship? Is it because they can’t fathom being under the boot of oppression? They do know that president AOC can do anything Trump does and more, right? Is it because Trump sells them what they want? Is there something sick with American Christianity that has made the soil of fertile, ready for the seeds of fascism to grow?

For most of MAGA being in an equal position to immigrant Mexicans, black people, women, and the LGBTQIA+ community is the same or worse than oppression.

They don't want to be equal to those people. They want to be better. They have convinced themselves that they are better.