Golden State visits the Holy Jazz - An Official Game Thread

[zyzz]

Hopefully Dante isn't even more afraid of contact/driving after getting clobbered by Draymond

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Favorite part of the game was Exum dying after catching shoulder from Green. He went to the locker room to throw up afterwards.

 

[BYE]

I have to seriously ask if you watched tonight's game too. Trey is almost always the reason we do have shot clock violations or close to. He stops the ****ing ball, man. On three seperate occasions tonight he dribbled in place with ~12 secs left on the clock....and then with great urgency, continued this same practice of "lots of dribbling" and then took a desperation shot. On all these occasions, the ball was moving fine before he came in.

I'm not making this up or exaggerating.

That's like saying "well in his defense he has a hard time getting jobs because of being a convicted criminal".

I find it curious that I hear people saying that Trey had to shoot a lot of shots with time running down, and thus we shouldn't blame him for his horrible shooting. You absolutely nailed it with that post. It seems like he doesn't get the idea of ball movement, as if he's always been the man and never had to pass the ball with any degree of consistency. I hate watching Trey for exactly the reason you cited. He stops the ball and dribbles uselessly in the exact same place until he has to shoot a 30 foot shot. It's every damn game. He becomes more palatable when he makes everything he shoots.

 

[Bodhi]

Yeah, I watched the game. I really don't thin a lot of it is Burke's fault. A lot of times guys are passing up open looks and the ball returns to Trey. Yeah, some of it is his fault, but I blame more of it on the lack of offensive firepower from our wings.

I guess we will agree to disagree and I usually agree with you.

Out loud, multiple times tonight, yelled at the TV when Trey had the ball "do something!". One of these things is not like the other when it comes to Trey and other dudes like Booker, Rudy, Ingles, Hayward, Millsap etc etc etc.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think id have as much of a problem with his poor percentages if he didn't have the two or three shots a night that are just awful. Took a long two after not making a pass at all with like 15 seconds left on the shot clock. Then that layup attempt at the end? Just pull it out and run clock.

The ball sticks with him a lot and he over dribbles it kills what we are trying to do sometimes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Favorite part of the game was Exum dying after catching shoulder from Green. He went to the locker room to throw up afterwards.

That's a ****ty favorite part of the game... I liked when Gobert was eating souls

 

[aussietin]

I was signing in just to say this, since I just checked the box score. I cringed when Trey came in even though he had more points, assists etc. than Exum. Exum is a legit defender, and I can only imagine his defense in four years when he's the ripe age of 23. His set shot is workable, and he has excellent court vision on the offensive end. When he starts to use his speed on offense and gets to the line, he's going to grow into that number 5 pick.

A couple things Dante has to work on with his defense though.
- Getting around screens. If its a good pick, Exum gets hung on it for ages. He doesn't have the core strength to really push his body around the screens at sharp angles to recover to a useful spot after the initial pick. Exum has the potential to get a lot of block shots from behind if the other PG pulls up for a mid range shot with his length, but he gets caught up on the screen so much now that he's not even close to the shooter
- Also related to strength, there was one play this game Klay drove and Exum had great defensive position and stayed in front of him. But Klay just sort of muscled in right through Exum and made a sort of half circus shot. Exum can't maintain his position on drivers just cuz they barrel right over him right now

 

[BYE]

I don't think id have as much of a problem with his poor percentages if he didn't have the two or three shots a night that are just awful. Took a long two after not making a pass at all with like 15 seconds left on the shot clock. Then that layup attempt at the end? Just pull it out and run clock.

The ball sticks with him a lot and he over dribbles it kills what we are trying to do sometimes.

He'd be so much better if he just passed the ball more. He made some tough and critical shots tonight, but he just seems to not run the offense at all.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We do need wings that can do something other than make two dribbles and either turn it over or pass it out.

Ingles has looked good last few games... He'd be nice to keep around as a 9th man type.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He'd be so much better if he just passed the ball more. He made some tough and critical shots tonight, but he just seems to not run the offense at all.

I think dante being a ball mover... Even though it's a bit annoying sometimes... Really helps the offense go.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Again, I really don't mind Burke trying these difficult layups in transition and in traffic. That has always been the area he needs to improve the most and it's a part of the game that really has to be practiced in-game and is hard to simulate in practice. I don't mind him trying to see if he can do it. It's good practice. We all wish Dante would try that.

As far as Burke's lack of stellar passing, I agree. He is a very uncreative passer and doesn't have great vision, but on the flip side he hardly ever turns the ball over, which is a real positive on a team that is extremely turnover prone.

 

[BYE]

A couple things Dante has to work on with his defense though.
- Getting around screens. If its a good pick, Exum gets hung on it for ages. He doesn't have the core strength to really push his body around the screens at sharp angles to recover to a useful spot after the initial pick. Exum has the potential to get a lot of block shots from behind if the other PG pulls up for a mid range shot with his length, but he gets caught up on the screen so much now that he's not even close to the shooter
- Also related to strength, there was one play this game Klay drove and Exum had great defensive position and stayed in front of him. But Klay just sort of muscled in right through Exum and made a sort of half circus shot. Exum can't maintain his position on drivers just cuz they barrel right over him right now

Good points. I'm less worried about his body than anything else. Joy Ingles said that Dante doesn't really even shave yet, except for his horrible mustache. I've come to the conclusion that he's going to require A LOT of patience, but I'm convinced he will be a player that makes the team that he's on a lot better.