Gordon Hayward in at #10 on NBA.com MVP Race

[Elizah Huge]

Pull out Chauncey's clutch stats. I bet you they're overrated

He averaged 16.9 PPG and 5.7 APG the year they won it. Not sure how clutch stats makes you anymore of a star or gives you anymore of a chance of winning a ring than other guys who have way better stats than you. The reason the Pistons won was defense. They had an insane opposing points average that year.


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[fishonjazz]

which is fine, because it's hard to name players who've won championships with out any other HOFers on their roster. Jordan had Pippen, and (later) Rodman with Kukoc potentially getting in there at some point. Jordan retired and the Bulls had a narrow difference in their next season's win total, despite the earlier playoff exit. Lebron is the closest example we have to a one-man-wrecking crew, but even he had to surround himself with hall of famers and perennial all-stars. We all saw what Kobe did without Shaq and Pau (nothing). Hakeem is the only modern example I can think of an all-time great carrying rags to the championship. Pistons were a team of depth, where it was hard to pin the importance of Sheed over Rip or Chauncey over Big Ben. Dirk still had a HOFer on his roster, but he similarly just had a well-oiled, well-coached machine fuelled by the good play of dope veterans like Matrix and Jet and Kidd and Chandler.

Iverson carried rags to the championship series too, though they lost. That team was trash sans AI

 

[Deleted member 848]

Iverson carried rags to the championship series too, though they lost. That team was trash sans AI

yup, if he won it would have been incredible. Closest a PG has ever gone to taking a team of rags to the Finals and winning. Guard version of Hakeem. Too bad he couldn't pull it off-- but I guess it speaks to perhaps the difficulty of stopping an offensively gifted big as opposed to a PG.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Let's just pray to Hayward that he takes our MAX and we get to watch him get even better heading into his prime.

 

[Deleted member 95]

I saw a different kind of self confidence boost. What do you guys think? Do you think that Hayward will break out for even more potential hidden inside of him by the confidence of becoming an All Star ️ ?


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I liked the fact he and Westbrook seemed to become (or were already?) pals over all star weekend. Westbrook is one motivated unflappable demon possessed motha ****a. Having a guy like that around him will benefit his ascension imo.

 

[Carbon13]

Hayward reminds me of Steve Nash in that he just keeps improving. He's committed himself to a lifetime of growth. Like Nash he makes up for marginal disadvantages with extreme skill. I would bet money he continues to come back better each year into his 30's. I believe in him that much. But for the Jazz to win it all, the stars will really have to align.