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Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons?

Bodhi said:
He's a wimp. Simple as that.
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This is a good point.... and parsons having a little better height (he can better play the 3 next to alec "slick pimp" burks) has made me change my mind.

I take parsons too..... despite his flat jumper
 
Bodhi said:
I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.
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Bodhi-bro, did you watch the playoffs? Go read clutch fans from around that time period. Parsons was crucified. He had a knack for being completely scoreless in the 2nd half all series long, in a tightly-contested series. His defense was porous. In fact, the only meaningful possession he had offensively was that tip-in right before Damian Lillard drained the game-winner. Hundreds of posters slam Parsons as weak, mentally-speaking. Apparently before the series, Parsons announced that he's the best SF of either team-- and clutch fans constantly brought this up amidst laughter as Batum outplayed him on both ends of the floor.
 
There's a reason the olympic team chose Hayward over Parsons, y'all. Give me Hayward every damn day.
 
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Bodhi said:
I'd take Parsons as well. You can rationalize Gordon in any way you want but my beef with him is mental. He's a wimp. Simple as that.

I won't even bother looking this up but can the numbers savy guys tell me how Houston (it's being rumored) can be trying to position themselves for a 3rd max guy (Love, Melo etc....again, this is the talk) and give Parsons 12/13mil (....rumored..)? They have Howard, Harden, Asik and Lin on big deals (I know Asik and Lin were mostly front loaded, but still), then add in a 17-20m guy and Parsons at 12/13. Huh? How can that math add up from a cap standpoint?
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How can Brooklyn have a team that cost them $190M this year?
It's very easy to do once you have players in place up to the luxury tax. Then you can trade salaries to get that MAX player and go into luxury tax territory to retain your own player. Jazz did it once - briefly - to retain Millsap and the rest of their "core," but they knew Boozer and AK would soon come off the books. So landing in tax territory for a year or two under the old CBA was no big deal. Under the new agreement, repeat offenders are taxed heavily. I don't see the Jazz exceeding the tax level very often, if at all.
 
It's close. Though I'd give the advantage to Parsons. He's the better physical specimen bigger, stronger and more explosive. I think they basically give you the same impact and are at best a third option.
 
It's easy to be a better player when you have two all stars next to you. Switch hayward and Parsons for the last few years and you would all be wanting Hayward.
 
As for Hayward v. Parsons, I go with Gordon. And I'm not being a homer. Gordon plays SG and can play SF; Parsons is a SF. Both have roughly the same career avgs on their 3's. Yes, Hayward is coming off a HORRIBLE year shooting-wise. But if he returns to his career average, which I think is likely when he's not asked to do everything, I'll gladly take a SG in the 45/37 range who can also move to SF. But it's close. If a team like Boston offered MAX for Hayward, then Utah should go after Parsons. In fact, DL should call Chandler's agent on Day 1. Present a contract to Hayward and the same one to Parsons; whoever signs first gets the job.
 
Core4 said:
How can Brooklyn have a team that cost them $190M this year?
It's very easy to do once you have players in place up to the luxury tax. Then you can trade salaries to get that MAX player and go into luxury tax territory to retain your own player. Jazz did it once - briefly - to retain Millsap and the rest of their "core," but they knew Boozer and AK would soon come off the books. So landing in tax territory for a year or two under the old CBA was no big deal. Under the new agreement, repeat offenders are taxed heavily. I don't see the Jazz exceeding the tax level very often, if at all.
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Like GVC said, they'd have to move Asik and Lin still. So not that "easy".
 
Neither of these guys are worth $12 or $13 million. I don't want either at that price. I would take Hayward over Parsons simply because he can play two positions and he is a better defender.
 
I agree - it's not an easy choice. Let's sign both and sew them together. They can be the first-ever combo forward.
 
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