GQP attacks on the military

[JazzyFresh]

First, Wikipedia is a garbage source and you should really get your information on politically hot topics from other places, but even Wikipedia mentions Marx all over the Critical Theory page which I'm sure you noticed.

Second, and this is the important part, all you have to do is read the book being argued over. The book on the recommended reading list is Ibram X. Kendi's 'How to Be an Antiracist', and he doesn't hide the message. By page 3 you've got "in order to truly be antiracist, you also have to truly be anticapitalist" and "To love capitalism is to end up loving racism."

Damn... @One Brow don't you think this is threatening our basic fabric of America?

 

[One Brow]

First, Wikipedia is a garbage source and you should really get your information on politically hot topics from other places, but even Wikipedia mentions Marx all over the Critical Theory page which I'm sure you noticed.

I did notice. It used phrases like "drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud." (but I notice you didn't say they were Freudians). One of their motivations was to criticize "both the model of science put forward by logical positivism, and what he and his colleagues saw as the covert positivism and authoritarianism of orthodox Marxism and Communism". It talks of using "critique" in the way Kant and Marx used the word. If you actually read the article, you see critical theory distinguishes itself from Marxism and/or analyzes the failures of Marxism in most of the mentions of "Marx" in the article. I mean, did you just do a word count without bothering to to learn anything?

Critical theory was post-modernism-style analysis applied to some political systems, much like critical race theory is a post-modernism-style analysis applied to the relationship between governments and race.

I agree Wikipedia is not a source worthy of use in a professional setting, but this is a comment board, and I feel quite comfortable using it here. That said, if you feel you have a more reliable source on the contents of critical race theory, I would be happy to read a brief summary.

Second, and this is the important part, all you have to do is read the book being argued over. The book on the recommended reading list

You seem to have lost the thread here. You were responding to the contents of a speech by Gen. Miley, and there was no recommended reading list put forth that I could see. What is your source for this list? I did find this, which mentions Kendi's book as one that uses some principles and ideas:

Essential Critical Race Theory Reading List | The Center for Renewing America

What are the theorists, critics, and popular authors saying about Critical Race Theory?

americarenewing.com

is Ibram X. Kendi's 'How to Be an Antiracist', and he doesn't hide the message. By page 3 you've got "in order to truly be antiracist, you also have to truly be anticapitalist" and "To love capitalism is to end up loving racism."

Have you read Kendi's definition of "anticapitalist"? Perhaps you could point out to me the parts that are explicitly Marxist in the quote below?

How to Be an Antiracist Quotes by Ibram X. Kendi(page 3 of 38)

1125 quotes from How to Be an Antiracist: ‘As Audre Lorde said in 1980, “We have all been programmed to respond to the human differences between us with ...

www.goodreads.com

“I use “anticapitalist” because conservative defenders of capitalism regularly say their liberal and socialist opponents are against capitalism. They say efforts to provide a safety net for all people are “anticapitalist.” They say attempts to prevent monopolies are “anticapitalist.” They say efforts that strengthen weak unions and weaken exploitative owners are “anticapitalist.” They say plans to normalize worker ownership and regulations protecting consumers, workers, and environments from big business are “anticapitalist.” They say laws taxing the richest more than the middle class, redistributing pilfered wealth, and guaranteeing basic incomes are “anticapitalist.” They say wars to end poverty are “anticapitalist.” They say campaigns to remove the profit motive from essential life sectors like education, healthcare, utilities, mass media, and incarceration are “anticapitalist.” In doing so, these conservative defenders are defining capitalism. They define capitalism as the freedom to exploit people into economic ruin; the freedom to assassinate unions; the freedom to prey on unprotected consumers, workers, and environments; the freedom to value quarterly profits over climate change; the freedom to undermine small businesses and cushion corporations; the freedom from competition; the freedom not to pay taxes; the freedom to heave the tax burden onto the middle and lower classes; the freedom to commodify everything and everyone; the freedom to keep poor people poor and middle-income people struggling to stay middle income, and make rich people richer. The history of capitalism—of world warring, classing, slave trading, enslaving, colonizing, depressing wages, and dispossessing land and labor and resources and rights—bears out the conservative definition of capitalism.”

 

[One Brow]

Who? Whos threatening war?

The people saying they need weapons to defend themselves from the US government. If you are unaware of such people, you can find them easily enough. I understand what Biden is saying differently than you do.

Damn... @One Brow don't you think this is threatening our basic fabric of America?

No, as I made clear in my response. I think Al-O-Meter has not studied this subject in any depth, and doesn't understand the terms they are using and why they are used the way they are used.

How about you go through that quote from Kendi and pull out what you see as "threatening our basic fabric"?

 

[JazzyFresh]

The people saying they need weapons to defend themselves from the US government. If you are unaware of such people, you can find them easily enough. I understand what Biden is saying differently than you do.


No, as I made clear in my response. I think Al-O-Meter has not studied this subject in any depth, and doesn't understand the terms they are using and why they are used the way they are used.

How about you go through that quote from Kendi and pull out what you see as "threatening our basic fabric"?

What a copout. Nobody is credibly threatening war outside of maybe a few idiot groups. Just fear mongering
Just like the Democrats who threatened to behead Trump, blow up the Whitehouse, and murder him like the guy here in this forum did. It's not credible. The constitution, the law of the land you all hate, says we need weapons. It's a "basic fabric in America"...

 

[The Thriller]

trump is holding a rally tonight in Ohio. I’m sure there won’t be any mentions of fighting, violence, or war.



Nobody credible is threatening for war? Jan 6 was just 6 months ago. And this was said earlier this week on Fox News’s most watched tv show:



Earlier this week on OANN, their host was calling for mass genocide. OANN is a favorite of the former president:

 

[fishonjazz]

I did notice. It used phrases like "drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud." (but I notice you didn't say they were Freudians). One of their motivations was to criticize "both the model of science put forward by logical positivism, and what he and his colleagues saw as the covert positivism and authoritarianism of orthodox Marxism and Communism". It talks of using "critique" in the way Kant and Marx used the word. If you actually read the article, you see critical theory distinguishes itself from Marxism and/or analyzes the failures of Marxism in most of the mentions of "Marx" in the article. I mean, did you just do a word count without bothering to to learn anything?

Critical theory was post-modernism-style analysis applied to some political systems, much like critical race theory is a post-modernism-style analysis applied to the relationship between governments and race.

I agree Wikipedia is not a source worthy of use in a professional setting, but this is a comment board, and I feel quite comfortable using it here. That said, if you feel you have a more reliable source on the contents of critical race theory, I would be happy to read a brief summary.


You seem to have lost the thread here. You were responding to the contents of a speech by Gen. Miley, and there was no recommended reading list put forth that I could see. What is your source for this list? I did find this, which mentions Kendi's book as one that uses some principles and ideas:

Essential Critical Race Theory Reading List | The Center for Renewing America

What are the theorists, critics, and popular authors saying about Critical Race Theory?

americarenewing.com

Have you read Kendi's definition of "anticapitalist"? Perhaps you could point out to me the parts that are explicitly Marxist in the quote below?

How to Be an Antiracist Quotes by Ibram X. Kendi(page 3 of 38)

1125 quotes from How to Be an Antiracist: ‘As Audre Lorde said in 1980, “We have all been programmed to respond to the human differences between us with ...

www.goodreads.com

Wow, I really like that quote you provided
Sums up some people's definition of capitalism quite well.

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[fishonjazz]

What a copout. Nobody is credibly threatening war outside of maybe a few idiot groups. Just fear mongering
Just like the Democrats who threatened to behead Trump, blow up the Whitehouse, and murder him like the guy here in this forum did. It's not credible. The constitution, the law of the land you all hate, says we need weapons. It's a "basic fabric in America"...

If we need weapons then how are so many Americans doing just fine without weapons? Doesn't really seem like a need if you don't need them.
Food is a need, water is a need, air is a need. Guns? Not really

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[The Thriller]

If we need weapons then how are so many Americans doing just fine without weapons? Doesn't really seem like a need if you don't need them.
Food is a need, water is a need, air is a need. Guns? Not really

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speaking for water, Payson lakes was looking better yesterday than a few weeks ago:





Lower than ive ever seen it but it’s still there. Glad I brought a hoodie yesterday, it got a little chilly

 

[JazzyFresh]

If we need weapons then how are so many Americans doing just fine without weapons? Doesn't really seem like a need if you don't need them.
Food is a need, water is a need, air is a need. Guns? Not really

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We'd be under British control without guns...

And this thread is laughable. "Republicans hate the military" by the same people who hate our constitution that the military is sworn to protect. What's more important? The constitution granting you more freedom than a majority of the world or the military that just got done fighting and getting crushed by average men in the middle East over a war criminal and his lie?

 

[JazzyFresh]

I mean it's insanely naive to think that wars will just magically disappear even though they have been going on for thousands of years. Basic history. I'm sorry that this fairy tale Utopia you all think is plausible is not going to happen any time soon

 

[JazzyFresh]

I can't have a gun that kills less people than blunt objects but your stupid president is fighting tooth and nail to give the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, a country that openly hates America Nuclear capabilities and billions in cash.

 

[fishonjazz]

We'd be under British control without guns...

And this thread is laughable. "Republicans hate the military" by the same people who hate our constitution that the military is sworn to protect. What's more important? The constitution granting you more freedom than a majority of the world or the military that just got done fighting and getting crushed by average men in the middle East over a war criminal and his lie?

Who hates the constitution?

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[fishonjazz]

I mean it's insanely naive to think that wars will just magically disappear even though they have been going on for thousands of years. Basic history. I'm sorry that this fairy tale Utopia you all think is plausible is not going to happen any time soon

Who thinks wars will magically disappear?

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[fishonjazz]

I can't have a gun that kills less people than blunt objects but your stupid president is fighting tooth and nail to give the biggest state sponsor of terrorism, a country that openly hates America Nuclear capabilities and billions in cash.

You can't have a gun? Why not? Are you a convicted felon or something?

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[JazzyFresh]

You can't have a gun? Why not? Are you a convicted felon or something?

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Look up hyperbole in the dictionary. I think you understand but you're just playing dumb. I'm the troll though.

 

[One Brow]

What a copout. Nobody is credibly threatening war outside of maybe a few idiot groups.

Using weapons to defend yourself from the federal government is insurrection.

However, I agree they are unlikely to do that. I mean, it's not like a bunch of ranchers surrounded federal agents with guns a few years back.

 

[The Thriller]

Using weapons to defend yourself from the federal government is insurrection.

However, I agree they are unlikely to do that. I mean, it's not like a bunch of ranchers surrounded federal agents with guns a few years back.

And strategized about putting the women and children in the front so if violence ensued, women and children would be killed first.

Informative and funny:

The Ballad of Cliven Bundy - The Colbert Report | Comedy Central US

Conservatives rally behind a Nevada cattle rancher who owes $1 million in federal grazing fees.

www.cc.com

 

[JazzyFresh]

Using weapons to defend yourself from the federal government is insurrection.

However, I agree they are unlikely to do that. I mean, it's not like a bunch of ranchers surrounded federal agents with guns a few years back.

What are you talking about? The Bundys? Did they surround federal agents? The one where all charges were dismissed? What dies that have to do with anything. Nobody, not one person threatened war. Provide your evidence. You lie waaay too much bro.

 

[JazzyFresh]

And strategized about putting the women and children in the front so if violence ensued, women and children would be killed first.

Informative and funny:

The Ballad of Cliven Bundy - The Colbert Report | Comedy Central US

Conservatives rally behind a Nevada cattle rancher who owes $1 million in federal grazing fees.

www.cc.com

Dummy

Charges Against Bundys in Ranch Standoff Case Are Dismissed (Published 2018)

A federal judge said that the government’s missteps in withholding evidence against the three Bundy family members were so grave that the indictment against them would be dismissed.

www.google.com

 

[JazzyFresh]

More people have died in left wing riots than the Bundys, kkk, and every other hate group combined(in the last 2 years) including an 8 year old girl and 3 teenagers at insurrection CHOP... You wanna talk insurrection?