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GSW wins, Jazz loses, not necessarily a bad thing?

Are you happy with results as it stands before All Star Break?


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The Midnight

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After the results of today GSW is 11th worst. Jazz is 12th worst.

Which means, we're keeping both picks of this year's loaded draft.

How can that be a bad thing?

Let's put it to a vote.
 
Top draft picks don't always translated into success. Look at Minny. They've got a lot of lottery picks and they aren't that good.

I do have hopes for Kanter and Favors, but right now, my faith is waning. I think Favors can be good, but Kanter is very slow and has some terrible habbits. He's young and has time, but he needs a lot of work.

All those who think he can play big time minutes...well, he could and that would guarentee the jazz another lottery pick next year.
 
LOL.. what else do you want? I can add them in next time. Please don't say "cheese"..

Maybe more then two choices. Maybe for this one something along the lines of "Play the Youngs and what happens happens" or "**** cheese"
 
I'm pretty sure GS has the 9th worst record, not 11th.

Winning percentages as of 23/02/12:

Golden State0.433
Cleveland 0.419
Phoenix 0.412
Milwaukee 0.394
Sacramento 0.333
Detroit 0.314
Toronto 0.303
New Jersey 0.286
New Orleans0.242
Washington 0.212
Charlotte 0.125
 
The NBA has a rule in the collective bargaining agreement that they have to be spending a ridiculously high percentage of the salary cap on players every year, which means that they have to give money to players. How does this effect the drart? Well, draft players, even first round ones are paid comparatively well compared to what they will get in their first free agent contract, but if the Jazz have too many players on the team with rookie scale contracts, the Jazz may be forced to give overpriced contracts to players who don't deserve them just to get over the set salary mark for the year. (CJ anyone?)

Basically, the question is: how young do you really want the team to be? We already have five players who are rookies or sophomores on the team right now, and our high minutes vet players are actually right at their prime. If we get even more high draft picks, who would demand time, the Jazz would regularly have rosters on the floor with the majority of players being first through third year players, even with Millsap and Jefferson on the floor.

On the other side of the coin, what happens if they draft badly? Then you have a bust of an NBA player getting paid three to five million dollars with at least two years guaranteed, more if the Jazz foolishly believe the player has 'potential'.

I think the Jazz have enough youth on the team, it may be time to bring in maybe one power player through trade without damaging the core, and see if they can get somewhere.

Watching them loose today hurt, and it is obvious that it wasn't a talent issue. It was a youth issue, they got careless, which is a typical rookie mistake. More draft picks does nothing to help this, in fact it makes the situation worse. I might even be ok with parting with Golden State's pick if it gives us a solid player somewhere we need help.
 
Watching them loose today hurt, and it is obvious that it wasn't a talent issue. It was a youth issue, they got careless, which is a typical rookie mistake. More draft picks does nothing to help this, in fact it makes the situation worse. I might even be ok with parting with Golden State's pick if it gives us a solid player somewhere we need help.
I disagree with that. Al is not a youngster and neither are Millsap, Harris, CJ or Howard. On the other hand, OKC has a ton of young players. The Jazz need talent, period. Having a lottery pick be a "bust" doesn't hurt financially. Certainly not as bad as having an underproductive Harris, underachieving AK or injured Memo. And if the Jazz need to add salary to meet the criteria of the new CBA, that would still be ok, they can get a good asset from a team needing to dump salaries. In fact, isn't that the premise of a lot of trades - i.e. we'll give you this player, but only if you take on this other bad contract?

The more picks the better. And if the players you draft are all decent and you eventually have overlap, you can then start to trade some for vets (like OKC did with Green).
 
I have been solidly against looking for more improvement through the draft.

We have Burks, who has looked very promising, Hayward who apparently is waiting for March, Kanter, looking very good, Favors, maybe a little disappointing.

What makes all these young players better? More chances to score that one guy? When does the limit arrive regarding youth? IMO it already has. These picks the Jazz owns are very valuable and can be used with great effect.

It is my personal opinion that Utah will be best served by staying pat in the present and when the picks are laid out maybe making some kind of move. I know most fans are frustrated and looking for a quick fix but there are just too many variables within our own group of young players that have not played out.

I do not believe that Utah would be served properly by almost any trade at this point.
 
Top draft picks don't always translated into success. Look at Minny. They've got a lot of lottery picks and they aren't that good.

I do have hopes for Kanter and Favors, but right now, my faith is waning. I think Favors can be good, but Kanter is very slow and has some terrible habbits. He's young and has time, but he needs a lot of work.

All those who think he can play big time minutes...well, he could and that would guarentee the jazz another lottery pick next year.

The alternative is that the Jazz continue to play the vets and lose. No playoffs and no hope for the future. Sorry but trying to predict what type of players Favors, Burks, or Kanter will be at this stage is premature and somewhat ridiculous. Add in the fact that the Jazz could add two superstars in the draft and the Jazz could be loaded. I understand that the Jazz could also blow the draft and come out with two bust but I 'll take my chances. I would rather have some hope than none.
 
Winning percentages as of 23/02/12:

Golden State0.433
Cleveland 0.419
Phoenix 0.412
Milwaukee 0.394
Sacramento 0.333
Detroit 0.314
Toronto 0.303
New Jersey 0.286
New Orleans0.242
Washington 0.212
Charlotte 0.125


Someone remind me what the point of the lock-out was. NBA is so broken.
 
Top draft picks don't always translated into success. Look at Minny. They've got a lot of lottery picks and they aren't that good.

I do have hopes for Kanter and Favors, but right now, my faith is waning. I think Favors can be good, but Kanter is very slow and has some terrible habbits. He's young and has time, but he needs a lot of work.

All those who think he can play big time minutes...well, he could and that would guarentee the jazz another lottery pick next year.

Look how much better they are this year than last. True they have made some bad picks--Flynn and Johnson, but Rubio, Love (draft day trade with Memphis), and Williams look like a good core. Also give them credit for picking Pekovic first in the second round.
 
Pekovic was taken first overall in the second rnd actually but close enough. Favors AND Kanter look great IMO and they need more PT.

I think Ty just wants a decent increase in winning % so that he looks good as a coach. Having a similar win % or less doesn't make him look too good in his mind most likely.
 
if the Jazz have too many players on the team with rookie scale contracts, the Jazz may be forced to give overpriced contracts to players who don't deserve them just to get over the set salary mark for the year. (CJ anyone?).

The minimum salary is not going to be an issue for Utah. The new CBA actually makes it even more important to find as much inexpensive talent as possible when building a team. Once you hit the LT now, teams are extremely handicapped in building any further. It's simply ridiculous to suggest that having another draft pick could be a bad thing. Even if you believe that the team has too much youth, it's another asset that could used in a trade for an established player.

Just for example, if we have the same team next year, with CJ and Howard replaced with the 9th and 11th picks in the draft, Utah would be right at the cap. And that's without using the 11 million TPE we still have.
 
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