GT: Jazz @ Spurs Jan 15th 6 p.m. - AT&T Center, San Antonio, TX

[ianfaith]

Idiot. Complete idiot. Learned it all from Ol' Jer and is not wise enough to abandon stupid ideas.

Holy ****. Corbin is such a clueless ****ing jack wagon.

 

[franklin]

dont forget the give the ball to favors between halfcourt and 3 point line.
it seems to happen a lot.
our big man getting the ball between 3 point line and mid court.


seriously WTF is the point.
its waistingg 3-6 seconds

DHO to Hayward, reset point.


*Edit* -- if you want to learn the play then study Popovich's ripoff of Sloan's system. He runs this same setup a lot.

 

[franklin]

When Ty is straightening his tie hoping to be considered for the Weber State job next year, he might want to study Pop's game tape. The Spurs are magical. Watch their game clocks. They run quick early sets, guys space methodically, they do the drive and kick, but what makes them special is how quick they reset their offense. Once the first action doesn't work, Parker has the ball in his hands and he's running a PnR. Then watch how guys know to cut off that PnR. It's beautiful.

What we do: Take 15 seconds waiting for convoluted screens and back screens to work 20% of the time, then watch some spastic shot. Sure we get some decent shots off our long setups, but we can't reset. The good news is we're getting better play in the post. The bad news is we took 8 3's tonight. And we average 18, 26th in the league. Why does every Ty team average bottom 5 in 3's? Seriously?

This simply is not true. Spurs run the same stuff as the Jazz with pnr as the bailout option. They don't reset much because it's a waste of shot clock and stagnates everything.

What you're really complaining about is execution, which requires talent.

 

[candrew]

"Guys get enamored with 3-point shots, but if you can get a shot closer to the basket, it's always better. In the modern-day game, everybody's just so ... the 3-pointer's the sexy thing, but I'd rather you get a shot closer to the basket than a 3-point shot any day."

If The Jazz did anything well offensively I could almost find some validity in this statement. But The Jazz are profoundly mediocre (if not outright bad) as a team at almost every offensive measurement. This comment just seems like some feeble attempt to gain "old school" credentials.

***ing Corbin you ****ing ****er....**** you!!!

 

[cowhide]

Coaches are blamed for what they can control. The type of offensive/defensive scheme, rotations, in-game adjustments, etc. So just because players are playing well it doesn't mean it's a direct reflection of good coaching and just because players are playing poor it isn't a direct reflection of poor coaching.

I agree and that was my point. Your response doesn't answer the question why does Ty get the blame when they play poorly and gets no credit when they play well. So what you are saying is that coaches doesn't matter because the players determine the outcome whether it is good or bad?

 

[cowhide]

Cause Corbin sucks!

Wow, nice middle school response. So you have really no argument just a dumb thought.

 

[NUMBERICA]

And that's ALWAYS been part of the Utah Jazz philosophy. High-percentage, close-proximity shots are far more efficient than longer, lower-percentage shots

This post is a bunch of obtuse non-sense stringed together. Are you talking about 3s? Where does "high-percentage" or "close-proximity" begin? If you can't spread the floor, how many of those shots are you going to get that are still good?

 

[Doublea]

Wow, nice middle school response. So you have really no argument just a dumb thought.

In all honesty, Corbin is a pretty good coach, but not one thats going to take us far. I personally don't like how he's managed minutes or the young guys. He has a very strict coaching style and he's not really a specialist in anyway.

 

[Jeditiger]

This post is a bunch of obtuse non-sense stringed together. Are you talking about 3s? Where does "high-percentage" or "close-proximity" begin? If you can't spread the floor, how many of those shots are you going to get that are still good?

Not saying that you shouldn't shoot 3pt shots. You absolutely have to. But it's always been the Jazz MO to first try for layups, etc. 3pt shooting has never been a primary weapon and likely won't be.

 

[ianfaith]

In all honesty, Corbin is a pretty good coach, but not one thats going to take us far. I personally don't like how he's managed minutes or the young guys. He has a very strict coaching style and he's not really a specialist in anyway.

By your criteria, he's not a pretty good coach. A good coach would do all the things you outlined. He's a mediocre coach at best.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

This post is a bunch of obtuse non-sense stringed together. Are you talking about 3s? Where does "high-percentage" or "close-proximity" begin? If you can't spread the floor, how many of those shots are you going to get that are still good?

Not saying that you shouldn't shoot 3pt shots. You absolutely have to. But it's always been the Jazz MO to first try for layups, etc. 3pt shooting has never been a primary weapon and likely won't be.

Sloan's teams didn't need to shoot many threes, because of two reasons...

1. They executed the offense to perfection in bothe the Stockton Malone, and D-Will and Boozer eras

2. Both had the threat of making a lot of threes.

Ty's teams just don't execute well, and they seem to shoot more threes and when they do get inside most shots are contested

 

[DutchJazzer]

Jazz have been doing this for over 25 years. They did it in the 80's with Mark Eaton. They did it in the 90's with Greg Ostertag. They pretty much abandoned it last decade because they happened to have the best shooting big man in the NBA in Memo so it became more of a two man game between D-Will and Memo which resulted in easy pick and pops.

Here's the thing - they did it in the 80's and 90's for two reason - to pass the ball to a wing player on an off-ball screen or, chiefly, to create spacing for their post player - but when Favors is on the court and 22 feet from the basket THEY HAVE NO ****ING POST PLAYER because Kanter is on the bench. So now one of two things happens - Favors swings the ball to the other side of the court; which could have easily been done by the player bringing the ball up the court or a wing player comes around Favors while he hands the ball off to him. This is Corbin basketball at its finest. So now you have a player with the ball in his hands, 20+ feet out, dribbling full speed and parallel to the basket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qileP4bAzek

This is a useless exercise. Hayward does nothing with this, Garrett does nothing with this, Burks does nothing with this. Burke has the speed to create something off this maybe 5% of the time. The other 95% of the time nothing ever ****ing happens other then blowing 3-7 seconds off the shot clock

THERE IS NO POINT in favors evans or kanter getting the ball there.

its USELESSS. LOSES time from the lcock

and we are not in the 80's and 90s anymore