Gun control has really worked wonders in the past in Chicago............. Criminals don't care about stiffer gun laws, they are still going to get guns and use them when it suits them.
If you can buy it everywhere out of town, what do you expect? Still I think it's a good start that may pay off long term as a role model if they manage to keep a big amount of guns out of the city with controls. I doubt you can pull it off though.
Germany and Japan have low levels of violence imo because of cultural,economic and societal morality reasons. If you really want to be fair compare US states against one another and different regions of Germany with one another. You can come to your own conclusions. here is a great place to start.
You can obviously do that and should. But Germany and Japan are 2 similarly "evolved" first world countries by modern classification. Germany for example has similar social differences within its society like the USA. You can totally find "ghetto"-like structures over here. Plus the Eastern part that struggles heavily with aftermaths of being a part of Soviet Russia.
Agreed. Its just a point to be made about the issue of countries who have strict gun laws. Our situation is different. It
will take a unique situation to fix or make things better. I don't think that just your basic gun laws will work.
We've got to stop the extreme talk on both sides, and get real. and no I don't think it will be easy or impossible.
Yep but that's extremely unlikely. Polemicizing is a weapon of everyone who doesn't want to be proven wrong or simply wants to stall talks. And there's a big industry who really likes to take the discussion to the extremes. So while I agree it's not impossible, it's going to be very tough.
I'm not overly familiar with Germany's situation, but I'm not a big fan of comparing the US to Japan in any kind of gun discussion. Civilian gun possession in Japan is rare and tightly controlled. But it always has been. Gun control is a much simpler issue when there aren't 300M firearms already in circulation.
Totally agree with this. And whatever you'd try to do against it would most likely hurt a political party beyond repair.
"Ukraine, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania" laughable at best to even mention these
+1. Russia as well.
Of course the accessability of guns and ammo has an influence on shooting victims, but you should be concerned with all victims of violent crime. I believe my neighborhood would be much more violent if none of the households had guns. Furthermore accidental deaths are just that accidents. We don't demonize any other inanimate object when an accident occurs. I really don't agree with lumping accidental deaths in with murder victims. You wouldn't lump people who died from a traumatic head injury while playing sports in with murder victims that were beaten to death.
I really feel that every gun owner I know is a responsible one. When you look at the numbers again look at them state by state. You will see that it is largely a cultural problem.
So if I'm hearing you right, you are saying that it is a social and moral problem more than it is one that can be solved through legislation.
I will lump together guys who are SHOT intentional, through crossfire and get accidentally shot by kids who found a gun in the house and start playing with it.
Simply allowing people to have these items around the house is extremely dangerous and facilitates all of these incidents with an intentional one being the worst in an extra category. But every death through a gun is unnecessary IMO.
When you take classes on parenting when your wife is first time pregnant that's not only about changing diapers, but also about what items in an household can be dangerous when kids first learn to crawl, walk and even when they get older.
Taking care of your armory should be a logical first step...
For example I don't even know a single gun owner other than 2 friends who work for the police. So I have no experience with people around me and if I find them responsible.
But I wouldn't say a person with a low education background being part of a criminal organisation with anger problems is someone I would feel safe to carry a gun.
If my assumption that you have a family with financial security and a past that provided you a sufficient amount of education and luxury isn't wrong I'd guess you haven't gotten to know too many troubled personalities in your life.
I say it's a combined problem. The social and moral prevent the legislation to take care of it. The two party system doesn't help in that sense as well.
Just imagine - and that's only a thought experiment now - you'd have a law tonight which says that you have from right now on a certain amount of time to return all your registered weapons. They get refunded by tax deduction or whatever and you can turn in your ammo as well(But that's voluntary since there's no registration on the amount of ammo you buy and use).
If you fail to do it afterwards state employees would pursue the missing guns and hand out penalties on them that are hefty and it's added to your criminal record.
Think how that would affect the spread of guns long term. Of course there will be people who'll try to make a business out of this situation.
Afterwards you can install a new gunlaw how to get a gun license for sports on a gun range or hunting.
But you have no longer the right to carry them to your home but instead they're stored at the shooting range or wherever at a protected place.
I honestly such a measure would be a good start. Right now there's for example 1 murder per 100k people a year over here. In the USA it's 5 times as high. Other countries in Europe have an even lower ratio than Germany(Greece for example officially).
Luxembourg for example was a horrible example of yours. That's not a sufficient big enough country to be statistically relevant and it has an open border while in Luxembourg the wealth is way higher compared to the surrounding countries(especially Belgium) due to it's small country special economic advantages having special Bank laws and administering ****loads of money.
If you ask me of course some foreigners are walking in there and try to get a piece of wealth and that will inevitably lead to an increased murder rate.
Not that I think it's right, but that's how some people react if they feel injustice.
