Gun control a comparison US vs Russia
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This. There is no way a fun ban works. If you tried to truly have one it would involve confiscating the guns already owned. There is no way that the Beaver County sheriffs go door to door in Beaver and confiscate all the guns. They won't do it to their neighbors and family. So that means an outside force. Now you have some ATF agent or national guardsman on your door demanding your guns? The risk of armed confrontation just increased 1,000%.
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They try to ban fun and I will get all up in their ****. Mother****ers.
Now let's talk about responsible gun ownership xD
Honestly it's more something that I think a government shouldn't like his citizens to own
I personally enjoy reading every now and then about shooting in the US. Always gives me the giggles. Far away I'm also not affected since I don't have many relatives over there. And those I have, I really don't know all that well.
But my emphatic qualities somehow suggested to express my opinion after heyhey dragged Germany and Luxembourg into that convo!
Honestly it's more something that I think a government shouldn't like his citizens to own
I personally enjoy reading every now and then about shooting in the US. Always gives me the giggles. Far away I'm also not affected since I don't have many relatives over there. And those I have, I really don't know all that well.
But my emphatic qualities somehow suggested to express my opinion after heyhey dragged Germany and Luxembourg into that convo!
Nice to know you are a classy guy.
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Oh boy!
Another gun thread! I'm sure we are really going to persuade people to different opinions this time! Especially since so many minds were changed on this board after scores of school children were massacred....
If only we could have another gay marriage thread!
Another gun thread! I'm sure we are really going to persuade people to different opinions this time! Especially since so many minds were changed on this board after scores of school children were massacred....
If only we could have another gay marriage thread!
we'd probably be better off just quoting Dr. Seuss!
Ted Cruz agress. Last night he read Green Eggs & Ham on the Senate floor as part of his filibuster.
I better get in on this instead of thread-s*****ng.
I don't know if this has been said or not, but lets put a different spin on this. Lets not look at it as "We're controlling what you do", or "They're curtailing the 2nd amendment" trains of thought.
Drop those, and then look at this section here:
The first part is kind of suspect. But I don't think anyone can completely be all that upset with keeping firearms out of the hands of those mentally unfit to care for them. I'll take it a step further and say that I'd be glad to be the anxiety/ptsd poster boy that believes I probably should not own a gun. There are points where my anxiety kicks in and gives me some unbearable negativity with the world as a whole; a bad combination considering that sometimes I can be an arrogant prick that thinks he knows all the answers. To date, I've been able to maintain. But I can see how there are much further extremes in mental instability than what I deal with that I likely wouldn't be able to handle in a well thought out manner. So I'd say Yes, I believe a psych eval for anyone that owns a gun has great value.
Mind you, I do own one. And am yet to use it for a purpose other than understanding how it works.
A home visit almost feels like an invasion of Privacy. I'm not sure I can get in line with that, but if you put that under the first section of psych eval it's tolerable.
Now the bullet patterns and such make perfect sense. To a degree, it also blows the argument of "Criminals don't obey laws" out of the water if you follow it through just a little further. Criminals don't obey laws.. great. But Criminals also find every crack, every nook, every possible way to get through the screen we call "Law" they can. "Criminal Lawyer" indeed! This evidence would help build better, stronger cases against the worst criminals, those that are actually using the guns for violent crimes. That tied in with tougher gun laws gets those criminals off the streets for longer periods of time.
So in a way, it does/can make sense.
At the same time, following it through to the very end, they just end up in Prison. Prison is still violent, and perpetuates the lifestyle that said criminal was living in. So in order for this really to work, we'd have to overhaul the way we look at Criminal Rehabilitation, which is much more costly. OR, those violent crimes criminals that manage to make repeat offenses we kill. I'm pretty pro-death penalty anyway.
We kind of end up in a d***ed if we do d***ed if we don't situation.
So what is the answer here? I have no idea. But I believe coming closer to Russian gun control laws has more value than keeping the standard we have now.
I don't know if this has been said or not, but lets put a different spin on this. Lets not look at it as "We're controlling what you do", or "They're curtailing the 2nd amendment" trains of thought.
Drop those, and then look at this section here:
The first part is kind of suspect. But I don't think anyone can completely be all that upset with keeping firearms out of the hands of those mentally unfit to care for them. I'll take it a step further and say that I'd be glad to be the anxiety/ptsd poster boy that believes I probably should not own a gun. There are points where my anxiety kicks in and gives me some unbearable negativity with the world as a whole; a bad combination considering that sometimes I can be an arrogant prick that thinks he knows all the answers. To date, I've been able to maintain. But I can see how there are much further extremes in mental instability than what I deal with that I likely wouldn't be able to handle in a well thought out manner. So I'd say Yes, I believe a psych eval for anyone that owns a gun has great value.
Mind you, I do own one. And am yet to use it for a purpose other than understanding how it works.
A home visit almost feels like an invasion of Privacy. I'm not sure I can get in line with that, but if you put that under the first section of psych eval it's tolerable.
Now the bullet patterns and such make perfect sense. To a degree, it also blows the argument of "Criminals don't obey laws" out of the water if you follow it through just a little further. Criminals don't obey laws.. great. But Criminals also find every crack, every nook, every possible way to get through the screen we call "Law" they can. "Criminal Lawyer" indeed! This evidence would help build better, stronger cases against the worst criminals, those that are actually using the guns for violent crimes. That tied in with tougher gun laws gets those criminals off the streets for longer periods of time.
So in a way, it does/can make sense.
At the same time, following it through to the very end, they just end up in Prison. Prison is still violent, and perpetuates the lifestyle that said criminal was living in. So in order for this really to work, we'd have to overhaul the way we look at Criminal Rehabilitation, which is much more costly. OR, those violent crimes criminals that manage to make repeat offenses we kill. I'm pretty pro-death penalty anyway.
We kind of end up in a d***ed if we do d***ed if we don't situation.
So what is the answer here? I have no idea. But I believe coming closer to Russian gun control laws has more value than keeping the standard we have now.
^Absolutely missing the point of the whole discussion. Nevertheless, I did get a good laugh from you managing to be both condescending and clueless in the confines of a single statement. So, thanks for that...
I had trouble figuring out exactly what you're trying to say here, Roach. I mean, I get the basic gist of it, but I don't follow how you got there...
Cataloging ballistics patterns may seem reasonable, on the face of it, but I have two questions about it:
1. How much extra time, money, and manpower is involved, even to keep such records just for all new sales?
2. How would you go about implementing such a program with the guns that are already out there?