Gun Control

[One Brow]

Very clever. At heart they will stand up for their freedoms regardless of wether others think they will have it.

As for the "...what does happen with measurable frequency..." How many CC holders have commited murder or attempted to with their weapon at a university campus? How will banning 6 cosmetic features on a weapon stop shootings? How are gun free zones working out?

There was nothing particularly clever about noting the disconnect between the constant slinging of terms like 'law-abiding gun-holders' and the claims that they will break the law even though they will receive no benefit from doing so.

Answers:
1) I don't know.
2) It won't, but stopping shootings is not realistic, nor necessarily the goal.
3) Overall, fairly well, but some occasional ugly incidents thrown in.

 

[One Brow]

Then what is the goal? Because it will do one of two things:
1. act as a deterent to law abiding citizens
or
2. turn them into criminals.

The goal is limiting access. As long as guns are plentiful, criminals will have access to guns. The more powerful the gun that is legally available, the more powerful the gun that a criminal can access with low risk. Part of the reason there are very few gun-toting criminals in England or Germany is that 1) they are difficult to get, and you don't need them to commit crimes.

Do you remember the recent incident in New York where a newspaper put on-line the locations of gun-owners? I heard several people complain that this made their home a target for a criminal looking for guns. I heard no one say this made their home less of a target because a burglar would want to go into a home without a gun.

 

[Bronco70]

One Brow,

I am done discussing this with you. I am tired of your wild goose chases and straw men, and your unwillingness to recognize hyperbole or interpret simple analogies. I'm weary of quibbling over semantics. I will end by acknowledging your superior intellect, and I commend your mental stamina to continually pursue a fruitless argument. I am not going to change your mind, and you certainly aren't going to change mine. Thanks for your time.

Bronco

 

[One Brow]

I am done discussing this with you.

I'm sorry that you see my points in that fashion. As much as anything else, I have been trying to attack bad arguments. There are very good arguments for and against more gun control, but the bad arguments get in the way of critical thinking and rational discussion.

Thank you for the compliments.

 

[Stoked]

From what's been in this thread so far, the AWB restriction was inappropriate because there's no good definition of an AWB (and the last ban had some illogical and ill-considered restrictions), and I never did get a good reason why limiting magazine sizes was some huge inconvenience, since the main argument against such limits seems to be that magazines can be seapped out quickly. I agree badly defined legislation is not worth having, but that doesn't make a ban itself an overreach (for example, I believe fully automatic weapons are banned), the overreach will be based on the definition provided for an AWB in this bill.

So, why do you consider these overboard regulations? Can you contrast them with regulations you do not consider an overboard, to help illustrate the difference?

Because they are cosmetic features. It is not like they turn the weapon into a fully automatic weapon or anything. They are simply cosmetic features that allow you to tailor your gun to your tastes.

But damnit ban them all!

 

[Stoked]

One Brow,

I am done discussing this with you. I am tired of your wild goose chases and straw men, and your unwillingness to recognize hyperbole or interpret simple analogies. I'm weary of quibbling over semantics. I will end by acknowledging your superior intellect, and I commend your mental stamina to continually pursue a fruitless argument. I am not going to change your mind, and you certainly aren't going to change mine. Thanks for your time.

Bronco

I thhink it is safe to say that the posters in here, and I'd venture to say most Americans, are already firm in their opinions/positions on this matter.

 

[One Brow]

I thhink it is safe to say that the posters in here, and I'd venture to say most Americans, are already firm in their opinions/positions on this matter.

one of the most interesting feature of humans is that, the more you argue with someone, the more that person becomes convinced they are correct.

 

[Stoked]

one of the most interesting feature of humans is that, the more you argue with someone, the more that person becomes convinced they are correct.

Nothing like seeing the stupidity of others to convince yourself you are right.

Not a shot at you One Brow.

 

[Stoked]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._right_way_to_combat_gun_violence_117138.html

Interesting read.

 

[One Brow]

Nothing like seeing the stupidity of others to convince yourself you are right.

Not a shot at you One Brow.

At the very best, I'm only a little less stupid than any other particular poster, so no offense taken.

 

[One Brow]

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a..._right_way_to_combat_gun_violence_117138.html

Interesting read.

I agree. I have no idea f the conclusions are accurate or the tip line mechanism is feasible, but they should be explored.

 

[PearlWatson]

Guns are also currently regulated.

They are the most regulated object on the planet.