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Get you minds out of the gutter. We're talking about Victory over Japan.

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I have mixed feeling over the use of atomic weapons to end WWII. Of course there's the line that it ultimately saved both U.S. and Japanese lives, and then there's the fact that it was an attack on two entire cities that killed men women and children indiscriminately.
 
Gameface said:
I have mixed feeling over the use of atomic weapons to end WWII. Of course there's the line that it ultimately saved both U.S. and Japanese lives, and then there's the fact that it was an attack on two entire cities that killed men women and children indiscriminately.
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Necessary or not this was ugly. Probably the two single ugliest acts in the history of mankind.
 
ElRoach0 said:
From Wikipedia
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Sure.

Japan surrendered on Aug. 15th. Officially signed surrender documents on Sept. 2nd.

Funny little tidbit: While stationed aboard the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) they decided to create a Nimitz museum aboard the ship. Before the creation of the museum the desk upon which the Japanese signed their surrender was in the Captain's quarters. My Division Officer was in charge of setting up the museum and tasked with hiring professionals to move the desk from the Captain's quarters to the museum. My division officer apparently didn't have time for that and he tasked myself (FC3 Young), FC3 Dillio and FC2 Messerly with moving the desk. As we were navigating the desk down steep ship ladder wells the ship's captain was headed to his quarters. He stopped, looked at the desk and asked our division officer, who was supervising our activities, why sailors were moving the desk. My division officer said we were more than capable and this would save money. The captain was clearly displeased, shook his head and carried on.

Anyway, we got the desk to the ship's museum with only a few extra dents and dings and I'd assume that's where it is today.

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Gameface said:
Sure.

Japan surrendered on Aug. 15th. Officially signed surrender documents on Sept. 2nd.

Funny little tidbit: While stationed aboard the USS Nimitz (CVN 68) they decided to create a Nimitz museum aboard the ship. Before the creation of the museum the desk upon which the Japanese signed their surrender was in the Captain's quarters. My Division Officer was in charge of setting up the museum and tasked with hiring professionals to move the desk from the Captain's quarters to the museum. My division officer apparently didn't have time for that and he tasked myself (FC3 Young), FC3 Dillio and FC2 Messerly with moving the desk. As we were navigating the desk down steep ship ladder wells the ship's captain was headed to his quarters. He stopped, looked at the desk and asked our division officer, who was supervising our activities, why sailors were moving the desk. My division officer said we were more than capable and this would save money. The captain was clearly displeased, shook his head and carried on.

Anyway, we got the desk to the ship's museum with only a few extra dents and dings and I'd assume that's where it is today.

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Not a criticism my mang. I had to look it up, and it showed two different dates from two different countries. Made me giggle a little bit.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Not a criticism my mang. I had to look it up, and it showed two different dates from two different countries. Made me giggle a little bit.
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I'm like half British, almost completely British by ancestry. No offence taken.
 
I thought veejay day stood for Vagina Day. I was confused, as every day should be vagina day...
 
Stoked said:
Absolutely. The loss of life and property is ugly. Never said it was wrong. What other single act would you put on a level with nuking a city?
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Most of humanity prior to 1925 or so. Didn't understand what you were getting at with "ugly" is all.
 
I think as Americans we need to remember that we didn't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to obtain a surrender. We nuked them to obtain unconditional surrender. We had the weapon that allowed us to demand complete submission and we chose to use it.
 
♪alt13 said:
I think as Americans we need to remember that we didn't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to obtain a surrender. We nuked them to obtain unconditional surrender. We had the weapon that allowed us to demand complete submission and we chose to use it.
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Why do we need to remember that difference?
 
I'm ok with it that we nuked them. War is ugly no matter how you do it.

I'm sure the men who were still fighting were quite happy about it since it got them home and ended the war.
 
I think purposely targeting civilians is wrong. But I also think it is acceptable to sacrifice thousands to save millions. IMO Hiroshima and Nagasaki are fairly low on the list of atrocities from WWII. It was the ugliest war ever fought and those 2 strikes probably saved 10 times the lives they took by ending the war that much sooner unconditionally.
 
♪alt13 said:
I think as Americans we need to remember that we didn't nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki to obtain a surrender. We nuked them to obtain unconditional surrender. We had the weapon that allowed us to demand complete submission and we chose to use it.
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We also nuked cities full of people and did it twice to show the damn Russians what we had, what it could do and that we had more than one. Those bombings had as much to do with showing the world our new power as it had to do with getting Japan to surrender.

We easily could have used the first one in an unpopulated area and said unless we get unconditional surrender we'll use the next one on a city.
 
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