Hayward----4 of the things he needs to work on

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by delpotro, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. delpotro

    delpotro New Member

    Oct 25, 2010
    Noone is a bigger fan of Hayward than I. You see his mantra "#improveeveryday" on twitter
    account occasionally.

    OK here are 4 things in my humble opinion you need to work on/incorporate into your game.

    1) Don't try to take people off the dribble with you facing your defender all of the time.
    You can still do this but you need to start doing what Magic Johnson (and a lot of other very
    successful NBA players have done) and that is when near or just inside the arc do not face the
    defender but rather put your rear end first and back down the defender. Having your body between
    you and the defender will create a buffer for you. In other words by doing this distance will created
    between the your defender and the ball. I think this will help you because although he you are a good
    dribbler for someone 6'8" tall you still are not great. This will be just another tactic you can use to
    be a more proficient dribbler. I don't think you do this because although I do think you a true
    competitor you are not into aspects of the game that involve heavy contact. Backing done someone
    though does create contact but not a lot relatively speaking.
    2) In the half court set when you flash through the lane and hold up you arms requesting an entry pass
    you can't do it for a microsecond. You need to hold that position a little longer and you need to be much
    more assertive in demanding the ball from your teammate. You in the lane one on one against your defender
    would add another element to your game. You would be closer to the basket be defended typically by someone
    3) develop a floater
    4) post up your defender up off the block occasionally (when big al isn't there).

    The four aforementioned suggestions all have to do with maximizing Hayward's capabilities in space.

    Experiment a little! This is the only way you will be able to truly #improveeveryday as you say on Twitter.

    P.S. I do agree with a Harpring comment he made in the Spurs game. He was commenting about how
    Randy Foye when he comes off a curl is thinking only one thing----shoot it immediately. I think have
    this mentality also.
  2. bordelais7

    bordelais7 Contributor

    May 26, 2010
    5) basketball
  3. cctrackstar

    cctrackstar Well-Known Member

    Jul 7, 2010
    Having read this I still say that I liked some of what I saw in Hayward last game. Lot's of team stuff, really assertive. He's kind of turning into a glue guy, and the good news is that glue guys don't demand as big of a contract as a star, yet they are just as important to a team.
  4. billyshelby

    billyshelby Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    1) Hayward has no chance to back down a defender unless he's in the post, and he has no post game. He's barely an adequate driver facing his man as is.
    2) Nobody can hang out waiting for a pass in the lane. No idea what you're talking about.
    3) Hayward can't shoot a floater. But in the Spurs game, he finally showed flashes of what could be an elite talent for him -- he stop and popped in the lane twice using two different moves to get space for himself. That's a huge X factor for his potential. If he can become deadly shooting from 6 - 10 feet on stop and pops, he will have his one Go To offensive skill. I don't think he can regularly do this, but it's huge if he can.
    4) Again, Hayward cannot post. I have no idea why anyone thinks he can.
  5. candrew

    candrew Well-Known Member

    May 29, 2010
    How about the one thing he's seemed to conquer - lack of confidence.

    This is the first year where Hayward has come out of the gate and not looked totally befuddled and intimidated by the game of basketball - certainly on offense anyway. No hanging his head after a shot rims out, no passing the ball back out on the perimeter when he's 1 foot from the basket.

    While he's starting from a higher point this year if he makes the same incremental improvement as he has the last two years we should be looking at a very, very solid season from him.
  6. salo

    salo Member

    Dec 8, 2010
    so you agree with the OP? these are all things he needs to work on?
  7. udflyer

    udflyer Well-Known Member

    Nov 3, 2010
    Ever notice that Hayward plays better after something happens that pisses him off.

    We need a trick to get him pissed before every game tips off :)
  8. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

    Nov 4, 2010
    Good point. repped.

    I have given out to much rep in the last 24 hours apparently
  9. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    You couldn't be further from the truth. Hayward for the 7 millionth time, isn't being used right. Ty needs to let Hayward run the offense.

    1. The way Ty is using Him, why would he try to play like Magic. He's used as a scorer and shooter not a pg. I hope you are not saying he shies away from contact, because that is wrong. The kid never backs down from any challenge. He drives hard to the hoop every time plays great hard nosed defense and is the strongest competitor on the team.

    2. What the hell! Who flashes through the lane and stand there? Please clarify?

    3. Sure why not, but I'd much prefer him to further develop his pull up jumper in the lane.

    4. First off when is Al not on the block, second with Al, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter, and Marv all being better options, why would the jazz post up Hayward.

    In conclusion you need to stop thinking of him as a scorer like most other sg's and think of him as a playmaker, now if only Ty would.
  10. franklin

    franklin Well-Known Member

    Jul 20, 2010
    Are you sure in #1 you didn't mean riding someone off his hip instead of his backside?

    Hayweird is trying to add an awkward behind the back direction reversal. It's not the prettiest yet but it's been reasonably effective. But just like his excellent first step and studder step past PnR, he has no damn idea what to do with the ball once past his defender. I suppose this is where you want him to put his defender on his ass and create space from there?
  11. TheSilencer1313

    TheSilencer1313 Well-Known Member

    Sep 18, 2010
    Great post, but I just wanted to comment on your conclusion.

    I most definitely agree that Hayward is a playmaker, as he was used this way at Butler very successfully. His 3 point shot has always been a little inconsistent, so there's no reason to think this will change very drastically.
    I would love for Hayward to be used like Lamar Odom used to be used on that great L.A. team.

    At the same time though, I was saying for years that this was the way they should've used Andrei Kirilenko.
    Sloan always refused to do this, and Corbin was part of that staff for many years.
    It always seemed to me that the Jazz coaching staff was too stuck in the past on how offenses should be initiated, and Corbin seems to be the same unfortunately.
    While the front office seems to be moving toward the future, the coaching staff continues to give us more of the same.
    I never understood how older coaches like Nelson, Aldelman, and P. Jackson, could move on to new ways of doing things, but for some reason Sloan never could..... and Corbin has shown nothing different as of yet.
  12. m3at

    m3at Active Member

    May 26, 2010
    Honestly, I don't get what all the hype is surrounding Hayward.
  13. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor

    Nov 4, 2010
    Wow a compliment about one of our young guys from franklin? Amazing..... even if it was a backhanded compliment, i will take it.
    Maybe franklin is starting to come around with his opinion of our 4 lotto picks.... hallelujah! Good job frank.
  14. bovice

    bovice Active Member

    Mar 24, 2012
    I agree that Hayward is being used wrong. I almost never see him drive, he just camps near the perimeter. If he's open he'll shoot if not, he'll just pass it to someone else on the perimeter. It's frustrating to watch because I know he's capable of more than that. That being said, I don't want to overhype him as if he'll be a perennial all star. He's not someone I'd want to run an offense through, he's the third best player on a contending team.
  15. Qman

    Qman Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    I am starting to believe the Hayward we are seeing this year is who he will be long term.
  16. m3at

    m3at Active Member

    May 26, 2010
    No way. I think you're overvaluing him A LOT. Look at the true contenders, e.g., Spurs = Duncan, Manu, and Parker. Lakers = Kobe, Howard, and Pau. OKC = Durant, Westbrook, and Martin/Ibaka. Miami = Wade, James, and Bosh/Allen. Boston = Garnet, Pierce, and Rondo.

    Hayward might be the third best player on teams that will likely make the play-offs and could make it to the second round:

    Nets, Mavs, Nicks, Nuggets, Bulls, Wolves, Clippers, and the Jazz.

    Sure Hayward is good, but let's be realistic. He's not a third option on a title contending team.
  17. Thee jazz fan

    Thee jazz fan Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2010
    thanks Silencer. As for the AK thing, Sloan did use AK that way just not all the time, plus why run the offense through AK when you have the best pg in the game. Also I feel Haywards game isn't as conducive to dominating the ball like Hayward. Hayward is more coordinated, and less awkward, and Hayward is a better shooter, and quicker, better dribbler.
  18. carolinajazz

    carolinajazz Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    If Heyward has to work on FOUR things at this level.....he's turribly flawed and is a lost cause!
  19. bovice

    bovice Active Member

    Mar 24, 2012
    You're giving really good examples of trios. How about...Shaq, Kobe, Horry....Pippen, Jordan, Kukok....Dirk, Terry, Tyson...this is hard.

    ...you're probably right. I'll change it to 4th best.
  20. Inn Dawn

    Inn Dawn Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2010
    He wouldn't be a fifth option on such a team.

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