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Hayward Finally doing well with a game winning performance against T-Wolves

More than his points, I thought he played in general fairly well in a critical quarter when the team was down. He didn't do anything to hurt the team and was a nice little cog in the machine that beat the TWolves in the 4th.

Much, much better than his previous starts when Bell was hurt, where most times he was downright dreadful out there.
 
The Thriller said:
You seek to argue when I don't.

This draft wasn't all that great.

But the point still remains, he was a #9 pick and some of you are talking about him playing "well" with 5 points on one shot.

Again, it's amazing how far our expectations have dropped. Did he play better in this game than the previous ones when he started and looked like a D-league player? Obviously. So perhaps the title should be, "Hayward playing better aka not sucktastic." But playing well is subjective. I for one have higher expectations. Not much higher. But higher. Playing well for me would entail averaging 8-12 points per game, grabbing a few boards, and shooting above 41% from the field.

Scoring 5 points against the Twolves isn't playing well to me. Don't care who or what you are. Sorry.
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I wasn't trying to argue with you but your wording and meaning were much stronger in the post that I quoted compared to this one. I do think that 8-12 points is being a little unrealistic with him playing on average 5-6 min a game. Thats a Basket every minute on the floor. I don't even expect that from our all star. 5 points in 12 min with 3 boards and 3 assists with no TO's. I don't expect much more than that from any rookie.

So while I agree that he has struggled and played like Crap when starting for bell I well take the production that he gave the Jazz in this game any day of the week.

I'll refrain from calling his play "good" or describe him "playing well" until he does more, for a longer period of time, against better competition. Sound fair?
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Yes this sounds fair. As long as you give him the same "time" on the other side to suck. 20 year old rookie that isn't seeing a ton of playing time remember.
 
I really think Hayward should play coming off the bench. The bad thing about him playing with the starters is that I think he thinks he shouldnt even shoot the ball when he is out there. I think if he came in with the 2nd unit he would be looser and he be able to play more of "his" game.
 
The Thriller said:
5 points on 1-1 shooting is doing well?

Jeez, where are your expectations for the #9 draft pick.

Hell, are we going to organize a parade if he ever *gasp* makes 2 shots in game?

Jeez people.... I'm all for giving him more time. But I would refrain from calling his play against a terrible team in 12 minutes as "well."

Maybe better? But far from well. This isn't exactly the #55 draft pick we're talking about, but the #9. Forgive me when I believe that the #9 draft pick should be able to score more than 5 points in a single game.

Sometimes I think Jazz fans are so desperate for things to talk about that they start worthless threads like these.
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Exactly. The excitement here over that performance only shows how little he has done otherwise. For a #9, he's not showing much. Needs to go to the D-League and get his shot going.
 
Adding to Hayward's woes, Wes Mathews set the bar a bit higher for rookies (even undrafted ones) last year. Would be tough to top that.

In the last 10+ years I can remember only Deron, AK, Millsap and Mathews as having some kind of an impact in the rookie season
 
As an avid hater of the Hayward pick, (I'm so f'ing pissed that I can't use a spoonerism for him... I blame Katie) I have to say that I'm a converted fan. I even picked up a Hayward jersey for Christmas. Sure, he sucks, but you can just tell he has 'it'. It'll come, just chill.
 
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